6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Well we had a whole month of January where there were a ton of reports they wanted to keep Carson until it was obvious it wasn’t going to happen. maybe they are truthfully saying they drafted hurts solely to be a backup QB behind wentz. I still think they wanted a potential long term insurance plan if in 2 years when getting out of wentz’s contract was easier they could pivot to hurts if they believed wentz wasn’t the guy and hurts would be groomed enough by then. I don’t think they ever believed wentz wouldn’t be their starter in 2021 when they drafted hurts. 

that’s sad, I like Jalen hurts. I’ve said before I think he’s ceiling if he reaches it is a top 15 quarterback. That’s not slight for a second round pick. However I’m also not blind and ignore every rumor that said the Eagles were interested in Zack Wilson, the Eagles were interested in Russell Wilson when that rumor started, the Eagles are still interested today according to Mike garafolo in watson who has a slew of allegations and criminal investigations against him. I hope hurts becomes great so we don’t have to make a move at QB. But that’s different then the eagles being tied and repeatedly this offseason with multiple different QBs 

That’s what I meant. Maybe they think Wentz had a short shelf life. Maybe they were unsure of him being a long term answer. But I can’t see how they would think to push him out this fast. If he wanted to still be here, I have no doubt he’d be here. 

9 hours ago, MillerTime said:

All the words in your 1st paragraph is bs rumors man. Not worthy of any argument because it didn’t happen. They wanted to move on from Wentz. He wasn’t reliable. Wentz didn’t want to be here because he knew they didn’t want him. He is holding on to his NFL career by threads.

it’s all bs? So Adam schefter, Peter king, Mortenson, mosher, caplan, McManus, Mike garafolo and countless others all decided to come together to make up BS rumors about watson and the eagles being interested?  This wasn’t Shorr-parks throwing something out. this has been reported by some of the most credible reporters in the business. It might not come to fruition but that doesn’t mean the Eagles werent actively trying or looking. So there were rumors of the sixers trying to trade for James Harden and it didn’t happen it means it was all bs rumors? Everyone in the business knew what was going down and the level of interested the sixers had in harden. Woj, the schefter of the NBA, put that out there. Usually when those two put things out there, it’s pretty reliable. The eagles might not have gotten watson (and who knows where that goes this offseason if hurts isn’t what we the fans hoped) but that doesn’t mean they weren’t talking about it or inquiring about it  

So Adam schefter, Chris Mortenson, Tim McManus were just lying to us saying the eagles wanted to bring wentz back at the end of the season and attempting to do so up until around the week of the the super bowl (there’s others who reported the same thing that the eagles wanted to keep him https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/carson-wentz-would-prefer-to-leave-eagles-but-team-is-not-looking-to-trade-him-per-report/)

personally I find it amazing when guys no longer are here (DeSean (first time with gangs),doug, jenkins, Bennett, even Chris long and countless more) or don’t want to be here anymore then these negative inside "stories” about them leak. And the stories always seem to make the eagles organization look better in justifying why they did what they did or the ones who are gone deflect from the organization’s issues/dysfunctions. Trust me I don’t think wentz is absolved of blame here either. There’s a ton of things he should have done to handle the situation better and done better that he didn’t.

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That’s what I meant. Maybe they think Wentz had a short shelf life. Maybe they were unsure of him being a long term answer. But I can’t see how they would think to push him out this fast. If he wanted to still be here, I have no doubt he’d be here. 

Oh 100%. Adam schefter and Chris Mortenson basically stated that and that the eagles wanted to bring him back. This narrative the eagles simply wanted him gone from the start is a fabrication created after the fact when it was obvious wentz wanted out due to howie and his lack of trust/hurts pick. 

12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Oh 100%. Adam schefter and Chris Mortenson basically stated that and that the eagles wanted to bring him back. This narrative the eagles simply wanted him gone from the start is a fabrication created after the fact when it was obvious wentz wanted out due to howie and his lack of trust/hurts pick. 

Not only that but to suggest that Eagles wanted him gone from the start doesn't align with the contract they gave him. If they were unsure and had doubts over his longevity then they simply couldn't give him the contract they did. 

36 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Not only that but to suggest that Eagles wanted him gone from the start doesn't align with the contract they gave him. If they were unsure and had doubts over his longevity then they simply couldn't give him the contract they did. 

I think the contract got done in June of 2019 because they still believed in him at that time and if he played like they thought then they got him on a good contract.

When they drafted hurts, do I think there was an insurance plan for the long-term future of the organization? Yeah I could see them thinking they got a cheap backup QB and potentially if things don’t work out with wentz long term then they potentially have their next QB being groomed. When hurts was drafted, they could get out of Carson Wentz’s contract at the end of 2021 and not nearly as much dead money as at the end of 2020 if they didn’t believe he was the QB going forward (not $34 mil of dead money like at the end of 2020). And hurts would have two years grooming in the system. However I don’t think the Eagles ever envisioned not having Carson Wentz be the starting quarterback in 2021 when Hurts was drafted. I also don’t see Lurie adamantly demanding we just have to get rid of Carson after giving him a massive contract extension and just really wanting to eat the $34 million for a guy who is not going to even be playing on this team this year. I think that happened cause Wentz checked out and there was no way he could get him back on board after they tried (schefter, mort and McManus basically backed that up). 

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

They outsmarted themselves in the draft room, as they do too often.  Weidl and Doug got into Howie’s ear with the Hurts idea, and he jumped on it.  It was delusional to think they could draft a QB in the 2nd round while having the #2 overall pick starting and not think there would be problems.  Wentz raised objections when Howie called him to give him a heads-up about the pick — a smart GM would have scrapped the idea at that moment  

So it's the fault of the Eagles organization that Wentz was insecure to the point of being a little ****. DOPE...

Eagles likely took Hurts because

1. They saw how important it is to have a quality backup QB after 2017

2. He’d be on a cost controlled rookie contract & they wouldn’t be forced to overpay in FA, allowing that money to go to the rest of the roster

3. Could be a valuable trade asset going forward in the situation that Wentz is injured, Hurts plays well in his absence, a QB needy team is desperate (similar to Bradford in 2016) 

4. Hurts checks so many boxes in terms of mental makeup/value he brings to a locker room

Doubt it was ever because they viewed Hurts as a potential Wentz replacement, but as more of a support system & chance to groom a capable, young, and cheap backup. Honestly, I’ve put a lot of thought into this strategy since it happened, and the strategy itself is good. But that strategy would really only be best for a team that is strong roster wise for the long term. Eagles had too many positions that were unsettled long term to be making a pick like that. 

With the NFL season officially starting tonight, I have some news I'd like to share with all of you: 

Jalen Reagor sucks.

Had to do it one last time before the season. Carry on.

6 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Howie spitting fire at Wentz

This was already posted.  And the number Howie mentions is still in error.   This explains his contracts.  He thinks 4 = 6.  

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

This was already posted.  And the number Howie mentions is still in error.   This explains his contracts.  He thinks 4 = 6.  

Sorry I didn't see it anywhere. Then again this thread moved at a ridiculous rate, so some may have missed it like me lol. 

15 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Sorry I didn't see it anywhere. Then again this thread moved at a ridiculous rate, so some may have missed it like me lol. 

Happens.  Just infuriates me that the accounting/salary cap genius can't count to 6 when he's trying to build a narrative for why they felt the need to draft Hurts in the 2nd round, immediately after giving Wentz a huge extension.   You'd think he would get his numbers right, even if his reasoning is flawed.  Sad that both his numbers and his reasoning are flawed.

4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Not only that but to suggest that Eagles wanted him gone from the start doesn't align with the contract they gave him. If they were unsure and had doubts over his longevity then they simply couldn't give him the contract they did. 

 

"Ah, for cryin’ out loud. That’s the the stinking, most awful, stupid joke and you’re always pullin’ that stinking awful stupid joke. You don’t want in this thing, you don’t get in this thing. I cut you out of everything. I don’t need you. $30M of cap space I can get almost anywhere. Schmuck!"

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Happens.  Just infuriates me that the accounting/salary cap genius can't count to 6 when he's trying to build a narrative for why they felt the need to draft Hurts in the 2nd round, immediately after giving Wentz a huge extension.   You'd think he would get his numbers right, even if his reasoning is flawed.  Sad that both his numbers and his reasoning are flawed.

Oh for F sakes, I saw the " not every one, all of them comment" glossed right over it and didnt put the math together. I was just pissed that this is the spin he is putting on this situation like he planned it perfectly. 

So yeah that makes it even worse..  what an ass he is

57 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

They told you what they were thinking when they said, "QB factory”.  I still believe they were going to try to flip Hurts sometime down the road.  They were thinking they had a golden ticket and that some other team was going to need/want Hurts.  That would align with their arrogance.  But then Carson’s game deteriorated.   Hell, they aren’t sold on Hurts even now.  If the Watson ish was cleared up, Hurts would be gone by now.  

I tend to agree. I think if wentz didn’t see that type of regression, playing like he was at the end of 2019 and was still content on being here then their plan was ultimately to flip hurts to get the pick back.  Meanwhile before they flip him then they get a couple years of cheap service out of him as well. And if wentz wasn’t the guy they thought after a couple seasons they had a QB they groomed that they might go with. However it blew up in their face. I don’t believe for a second when the eagles drafted hurts back in april 2020 they thought heading into the 2021 season wentz would gone, he’d play that bad, they’d eat $34 mil of dead money and hurts would be the starter. Still irritating one of their reasonings was we didn’t want to spend money on a veteran backup QB in the 2020 offseason (even though they claimed they were still contending then and a rookie without a full offseason due to the pandemic would be the best option if their starting QB went down) and then a year later decided with more cap space issues in a rebuild to spend the money on a veteran backup qb and a contract set up that has some cap ramifications for a couple years after Flacco isn’t even here  

last part i completely agree with. Although if everything cleared up with watson, i do think Miami would go all in on watson to acquire him so they still might not have gotten watson. 

Honestly on Wentz, Howie is a big turd that constantly tries to justify his stupid decisions. If Wentz wanted to be here he would. That said he's not here anymore, so once again we have to hope that one of Howie's stupid decisions somehow pays off 

12 minutes ago, greend said:

Honestly on Wentz, Howie is a big turd that constantly tries to justify his stupid decisions. If Wentz wanted to be here he would. That said he's not here anymore, so once again we have to hope that one of Howie's stupid decisions somehow pays off 

Yeah forget for a second about our opinions if we’re better with or without Wentz, there’s no denying that Wentz wanted out because of Howie. 

18 minutes ago, greend said:

Honestly on Wentz, Howie is a big turd that constantly tries to justify his stupid decisions. If Wentz wanted to be here he would. That said he's not here anymore, so once again we have to hope that one of Howie's stupid decisions somehow pays off 

Maybe it's the decision that gets him canned.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Maybe it's the decision that gets him canned.

I highly doubt it. I'm beginning to think that Lurie is getting senile and just can't figure out simple things like Howie is a turd.

6 minutes ago, greend said:

I highly doubt it. I'm beginning to think that Lurie is getting senile and just can't figure out simple things like Howie is a turd.

Or... Howie is just his puppet.  

3 hours ago, Swoop said:

With the NFL season officially starting tonight, I have some news I'd like to share with all of you: 

Jalen Reagor sucks.

Had to do it one last time before the season. Carry on.

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5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Or... Howie is just his puppet.  

Oh I'm definitely betting he sits on his knee anyways 

37 minutes ago, greend said:

Honestly on Wentz, Howie is a big turd that constantly tries to justify his stupid decisions. If Wentz wanted to be here he would. That said he's not here anymore, so once again we have to hope that one of Howie's stupid decisions somehow pays off 

Hopefully this Wentz talk is over after week 1

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

That’s not it at all.  Howie is just the instrument.  Lurie is the problem.  

Maybe so. But there is only one way to find out for sure

12 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

How does 6 TD and 4 INT put a QB on pace for 27 TD and 11 INT?

It’s been a long time since I’ve been in school but this feels like math by cherry-picking

CBS sports did the breakdown.  I’m assuming it’s based on quarters/time actually played vs games.

17 minutes ago, Godfather said:

Hopefully this Wentz talk is over after week 1

Gonna doubt it as we need wentz to play 75% of the snaps or 70% and make the playoffs. Add on if he somehow is playing like end of 2019 and the eagles are struggling the media is going fuel those flames.