4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

CBS sports did the breakdown.  I’m assuming it’s based on quarters/time actually played vs games.

But 27 is to 6 what 18 is to 4.  In this universe there isn’t any way around that.

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

But 27 is to 6 what 18 is to 4.  In this universe there isn’t any way around that.

Don't mind him. He shows up to just post fluff pieces on Hurts. He's done this before with other players too. 

I can't wait for the Hurts conversation to move into the "it's only 1 game" zone from the completion %, etc debate not. He has a good game, it's only one game. If he has a bad game, it's only one game.

Frankly,. if Hurts doesn't fumble, that's a win.  An Eagles QB with ball security will be a novel concept won't it?

 

19 minutes ago, Godfather said:

Hopefully this Wentz talk is over after week 1

The Wentz talk will end only if Wentz goes down in flames in Indy, or Hurts wins us a SB. All other out comes will only fan the flames of how bad this team screwed up that situation. 

As an Eagle fan we all know of good players who left the Birds and went and got SB rings elsewhere, while we watched. Not saying thats gonna happen, but it would be so like the Norm for us Eagle Fans. 

Just now, UK Eagle said:

I can't wait for the Hurts conversation to move into the "it's only 1 game" zone from the completion %, etc debate not. He has a good game, it's only one game. If he has a bad game, it's only one game.

Frankly,. if Hurts doesn't fumble, that's a win.  An Eagles QB with ball security will be a novel concept won't it?

 

Either way his "rent is due" in a matter of days. Let's hope he can pay up.

Football is finally back, thank god. So, let's make some predictions!

Of the playoff teams last year (GB, KC, TB, Buffalo, Indy, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Tennessee, Baltimore, Saints, Bears, Rams, Seachickens, WFT) which team(s) miss this year? 

Who do you got for MVP? 

O and D ROY? 

Of the non-playoff teams last year, who makes this jump this year? 

Imma say Pittsburgh, Indy, Bears, Seahags miss out this year, replaced by Chargers, Patriots, 49ers, Cardinals. 

Josh Allen wins MVP. 

ROY goes to Trevor Lawrence who posts good numbers but doesn't get wins, and on D it goes to Rousseau who apparently had a great training camp. 

3 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Either way his "rent is due" in a matter of days. Let's hope he can pay up.

I agree.  I have no preconceptions about what he will do as such little is known about the scheme, etc.  We've had media chatter and little else

7 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

They outsmarted themselves in the draft room, as they do too often.  Weidl and Doug got into Howie’s ear with the Hurts idea, and he jumped on it.  It was delusional to think they could draft a QB in the 2nd round while having the #2 overall pick starting and not think there would be problems.  Wentz raised objections when Howie called him to give him a heads-up about the pick — a smart GM would have scrapped the idea at that moment  

Yeah, put all your eggs in a basket of a QB that has problems staying healthy. Great plan. The idiot isn't even vaccinated and will miss more time this year due to his ignorance. Some of you are just dumb.

8 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

He is because it wasn’t just 4 games

True....it was 6 playoff games they needed a backup QB.

31 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Draft a running qb in the 2nd round? 

Fire Howie

32 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Gonna doubt it as we need wentz to play 75% of the snaps or 70% and make the playoffs. Add on if he somehow is playing like end of 2019 and the eagles are struggling the media is going fuel those flames. 

There is no way on God's green earth Wentz talk goes away game 1, unless he get's injured and is out for the year. I would be willing to say that if for some reason Hurts stinks the very same people that hated Wentz will be the ones pretending that they wanted him the whole time

21 minutes ago, IggleWalt said:

Yeah, put all your eggs in a basket of a QB that has problems staying healthy. Great plan. The idiot isn't even vaccinated and will miss more time this year due to his ignorance. Some of you are just dumb.

How is not drafting a true weapon in the 2nd round not putting all your eggs in one basket of an oft injured quarterback?  Surround a quarterback with garbage for weapons will do nothing but increase his chances of injury. 

1 minute ago, greend said:

There is no way on God's green earth Wentz talk goes away game 1, unless he get's injured and is out for the year. I would be willing to say that if for some reason Hurts stinks the very same people that hated Wentz will be the ones pretending that they wanted him the whole time

Even if he gets injured for the year then there will be talk the rest of the year about how we missed out on a first round pick cause of him. So i doubt it stops with that either.

I think wentz would have to be playing well and hurts playing bad for that to occur. But if that happens i definitely think thats a possibility to occur. However If both are playing poorly then i don’t see that happening. Same if both are playing well. 

7 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The thing that irritates me more is they kept saying we needed a cheap backup QB for a couple years as to why in the 2020 offseason we couldn’t sign a veteran QB. And used a 2nd on one. Even though we were in a pandemic so a rookie second round pick was unlikely to be ready to roll if something happened due to no offseason activities and limited reps in 2020. So they believed they were gonna be fine if wentz (assuming he was playing like end 2019) went down a rookie would just pick up where he left off even though he was a second round rookie with pandemic offseason. Add on we didnt have the cap space to sign a veteran last offseason but this offseason we were in more of a tight position but did and they did so in a rebuild. And signed him so it hurts them future years with the phony years. 

I don't think Howie was lying when they were concerned about getting a competent backup for Wentz.  You're right there were plenty of cheaper veterans that would have been available.  I mean Minshew would have been cheaper than a 2nd round pick.  Fundamentally, I think it was because they did not think Wentz could stay healthy long-term.  I am sure they also had other concerns and felt like there was a likelihood the team would move on from him by 2023 which is when he could be traded or released with no cap hit.  The other part of it is that I am sure Wentz wasn't happy about the pick and they knew he wasn't happy.  I think the question remains is where would they be if they hadn't drafted Hurts.  I don't think drafting Hurts over Chinn would have helped Wentz in 2020. I think the team would have had to look seriously at taking Fields, Jones or trading up for Wilson.  They still may have fired Doug if he wasn't going to fire Press Taylor.  The team is probably in a slightly better situation having drafted Hurts and moved on from Wentz.  

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

On average there is about 4 teams that make the playoffs who missed it the prior year....so that means 4 who would miss it.  My picks.  

Teams out:

Chicago

New Orleans

Baltimore

Seahawks

Teams in:  

Dallas

Rams

Chargers

49ers

 

Mahommes wins MVP

OROY goes to Justin Fields

DROY goes to Zaven Collins

I get it.  Try to have a little creativity.  

Fire Howie and buy him a ticket to Antarctica?  

19 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I don't think Howie was lying when they were concerned about getting a competent backup for Wentz.  You're right there were plenty of cheaper veterans that would have been available.  I mean Minshew would have been cheaper than a 2nd round pick.  Fundamentally, I think it was because they did not think Wentz could stay healthy long-term.  I am sure they also had other concerns and felt like there was a likelihood the team would move on from him by 2023 which is when he could be traded or released with no cap hit.  The other part of it is that I am sure Wentz wasn't happy about the pick and they knew he wasn't happy.  I think the question remains is where would they be if they hadn't drafted Hurts.  I don't think drafting Hurts over Chinn would have helped Wentz in 2020. I think the team would have had to look seriously at taking Fields, Jones or trading up for Wilson.  They still may have fired Doug if he wasn't going to fire Press Taylor.  The team is probably in a slightly better situation having drafted Hurts and moved on from Wentz.  

Just saying there’s a possibility they are much worse off. If hurts isn’t the player we are hoping for. Add on if Carson somehow turns it around and is playing well with the colts. Meanwhile fields, jones and Wilson show they are going to be legit QBs in this league. That would mean we still need a QB (and even if they draft one still unproven). We traded one that figured it out again. And missed on a entire draft of promising QBs. To me that would be worse off imo 

11 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Ok F Nuts.  We are back from our draft.  I took Jalen Hurts #6 overall.  Winner.  

 

11 hours ago, MillerTime said:

Ertz going #2 was wild

 

11 hours ago, 315Eagles said:

#2 overall or 2nd round?

 

11 hours ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

That was a falsehood presented to create a moment of humor.

Now that we have gotten past the jokes.  Draft winner, this guy, 12th pick, Gardner Minshew, 13th pick Greg Ward.

 

 

1 hour ago, greend said:

Maybe so. But there is only one way to find out for sure

The Blog buys the team.  

Just now, NCiggles said:

The Blog buys the team.  

 

16 minutes ago, greend said:

Fire Howie and buy him a ticket to Antarctica?  

I believe the Antarctic Treaty prohibits using Antarctica as a place to dump trash. 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Just saying there’s a possibility they are much worse off. If hurts isn’t the player we are hoping for. Add on if Carson somehow turns it around and is playing well with the colts. Meanwhile fields, jones and Wilson show they are going to be legit QBs in this league. That would mean we still need a QB. We traded one that figured it out again. And missed on a entire draft of promising QBs. To me that would be worse off imo 

Let's assume that drafting Hurts had no impact on Wentz's 2020 performance.  I think that's a safe assumption.  Let's assume the team moved on from Doug because they wanted to keep Wentz.  Let's assume they make all of the same picks in the draft and sign Flacco.  Would you be more optimistic going into this season?  I think the narrative would be similar in that the pressure is on Wentz to perform or they are going to have to pick a QB in next years draft except they now have less assets.  

Let's assume the team drafted Mac Jones or Fields.  Do you think the team would be in a better position with Wentz and another 1st round QB and a new coach.  I think Wentz would have had to win the starting job in camp and would be on a short leash.  I think every mediocre game would come with calls to move on from him.  

15 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

The Blog buys the team.  

You go first

22 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Let's assume that drafting Hurts had no impact on Wentz's 2020 performance.  I think that's a safe assumption.  Let's assume the team moved on from Doug because they wanted to keep Wentz.  Let's assume they make all of the same picks in the draft and sign Flacco.  Would you be more optimistic going into this season?  I think the narrative would be similar in that the pressure is on Wentz to perform or they are going to have to pick a QB in next years draft except they now have less assets.  

Let's assume the team drafted Mac Jones or Fields.  Do you think the team would be in a better position with Wentz and another 1st round QB and a new coach.  I think Wentz would have had to win the starting job in camp and would be on a short leash.  I think every mediocre game would come with calls to move on from him.  

That’s a lot of assumptions you are making there. I actually do think the hurts pick played a role in some of his regression and performance. So i don’t think that’s safe to assume type of thing. Part of this is we don’t know how wentz would’ve performed last year if they didn’t draft hurts and seen where it went with just signing someone like Flacco. Maybe he’s the same crappy Carson Wentz last year or maybe he’s not in his own head and angry/pouting at the organization and he plays better. i completely disagree the hurt situation didn’t have some sort of effect his mental state or performance. To what degree it had is the better discussion 

i agree the pressure would have been on wentz to perform if he was as bad as he was without hurts there in 2020. however if he was as bad as he was in 2020 in 2021 you are once again picking high in the draft to go get that QB. But again i disagree with your assumption hurts didn’t have any affect on wentz’s performance or state of mind. Additionally if hurts isn’t good you are using more capital on a QB so those picks you accumulated is going right back into QB where you already spent a 2nd rounder on hurts that you could’ve used elsewhere. Realistically the eagles using your second point could have spent a first on fields and had Jeremy chinn. If fields is good and chinn has shown he’s a player means you’d have two positions solved. Meanwhile if hurts doesn’t Pan out you used a second and now using more picks on a QB and have another position like safety isn’t solved. they also would not spending more money on McLeod who may very well be a far cry from what he was after this last injury 

Frankly i don’t think if wentz was here they would’ve spent that high of a first on QB. And I’m guessing they probably still make that trade with the Dolphins. So that assumption imo is likely a scenario that doesn’t happen. Imo In order for them to draft jones or fields or even Wilson that high they’d have moved on from wentz. If they did manage to draft one of them and keep wentz then they are right back in the same position you were in with hurts and wentz but imo coming out they were considered better prospects than hurts. by all accounts jones, fields and Wilson were considered better prospects as all went top 15. I like hurts but he’s a QB and so are they. Most QBs get slightly over drafted cause of the position. Yet none of those guys fell to the 2nd round. So i think thats safe to say the majority of scouts believed they were better prospects. Whether they become better pros is a completely different argument 

 

 

8 hours ago, austinfan said:

The other problem was with a hostile North, which would have blocked expansion to the West, and kept Oklahoma, Tennessee and Missouri in the Union (and controlled the Mississippi  at Vicksburg), the Confederacy would have been faced with a steady leakage of slaves across every border from Mexico to Virginia. Staying in the Union was actually a better short-term strategy for maintaining slavery. And as anti-slavery sentiment grew in Europe, the merchants of Liverpool would have increased their search for alternative sources of cotton (the problem was that Southern cotton was superior to Egyptian cotton, but with a strong motivation to improve the crop, this edge may not have been maintained).

The South was doomed in any case, even if they had fought to a draw, slavery discouraged immigration, soil depletion would have doomed the finances of the plantation system with no new land to exploit, and capital would have dried up over time. The cost of maintaining armies against an ever growing (in population and wealth) North would have been the final straw. The South could never have industrialized, with their primary market, the British, requiring access to their markets, and the lack of an internal market to support economies of scale (and the transportation infrastructure to reduce transactions costs) they would have remained an agricultural backwater.

The real shame is the failure to break up the plantations, give each slave his "40 acres and a mule," destroying the economic and political power of the Southern elite, and failing to create a black yeoman farmer class. As with white farmers, there would have been consolidation over time, with the more successful farmers hiring the "losers" as tenants, farm workers and sharecroppers, but if they followed the example of the Northwest Ordinance, universal education would have provided a work force that could have migrated from the farms to southern cities as they industrialized as part of the national economy - and the South would have been both integrated and more similar to the Midwest (though climate, until air conditioning, would have made it less populated and poorer). With slavery gone, immigrants would have found the South more hospitable as a destination.

An error, I must point out. Oklahoma wasn’t a state, it was Indian Territory and a majority of the tribes there sided with the South.  The richer among the five civilized tribes owned Black slaves although not in great numbers.  Not mentioned when I referenced John Ross of the Cherokee was that he was a slaveholder.  Shipped to Oklahoma on the Trail of Tears were slaves owned within the tribes.  Now some of this was driven by laws.  Only whites could employ white European descendants   Only whites could indenture white Europeans although that practice was being outlawed.  Thus economics led to slavery being adopted by the tribes and arguably, to some extent by freed Blacks (The myriad of laws impacting this and impacted by Nat Turner’s rebellion are extensive and an interesting study, mostly limited to academic treatises and dissertations based on limited records and journals. One must be cautious of the prejudices and theoretical approaches by the authors of such. So many available online nowadays.)

Also a topic not talked about in our children’s textbooks was slavery amongst pre-Colombian tribes of captives from other tribes. Similar to captive slavery amongst European tribes where integration was possible at some point. (Also so frequently overlooked in textbooks.) That captive treatment continued with the arrival of Europeans to America. Then tribes like the Iroquois found a market for Native American slaves amongst European settlers.  This was also pretty extensive in the Southeast.  There we find the trade of exporting Native American slaves to the Caribbean in trade for African slaves.   But that trade and really enslavement of Native Americans by Europeans was pretty much a thing of the past by the 1800s and outlawed in many states.  

Slavery and chattel ownership of others is a nasty truth in the history of mankind.  But one ultimately doomed as an economic model.  It is sad to put such practice into economic terms but that is the foundation.

40 acres and a mule was a military pipe dream and arguably designed with the focus on keeping the majority of Blacks in the South. Now sharecropping in America and it’s type of feudalism, much like company towns, is another interesting study in economics but we can save that discussion for another day.

8 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I still say winning a Super Bowl that quickly really messed this team up. 

I'm still pissed off about that.