5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup it's not like it's Dawkins or Wes Hopkins coming back, 

McLeod even in his prime was just above a jag, dude is nothing but a jag with an Injury history now 

I’d say he was solid and I’ve been one of the more critical people on here as it pertains to mcleod over the past couple years. He just was never going to be great and not a huge playmaker in terms of picks. 

That said we discuss the eagles ineptitude in drafting, the eagles haven’t drafted and developed a good safety since quinten mikell. And mikell wasn’t even drafted he was a UDFA. The last one they actually drafted that turned out to be a quality starter might have been Michael Lewis and it wasn’t a long time for Lewis. 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d say he was solid and I’ve been one of the more critical people on here as it pertains to mcleod over the past couple years. He just was never going to be great and not a huge playmaker in terms of picks. 

That said we discuss the eagles ineptitude in drafting, the eagles haven’t drafted and developed a good safety since quinten mikell. And mikell wasn’t even drafted he was a UDFA. The last one they actually drafted that turned out to be a quality starter might have been Michael Lewis and it wasn’t a long time for Lewis. 

Yup, been a minute since eagles have drafted a good safety, 

I like McLeod he's solid,and I don't think him coming back is going to much of an improvement than what's already there, which isn't much.

This whole secondary has been pretty a stage to bad.

I think the best player in the secondary so far has been Maddox, and he hasn't done anything other than not make glaring mistakes.

Of course they aren't helped by the worst group of LBs in the league and a D line that other than hargrave( excluding Injured graham) have been invisible as well.

I guess the most one can hope from McLeod is that he can be a bit of a stabalizing force on the back end but I'm not expecting much

 

Line moved from Chiefs -7 to -6.5. I have no idea why. 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Line moved from Chiefs -7 to -6.5. I have no idea why. 

Lot of people keep bouncing around the stat that the Chiefs have only covered the spread like once in their last 15 games or something. Fool's gold. They're easy money this week.

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Not exactly an expert who I would be inclined to listen to, but yeah, I can see this being true. I do love how everyone is an expert nowadays though - fans and media alike.

29 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup, been a minute since eagles have drafted a good safety, 

I like McLeod he's solid,and I don't think him coming back is going to much of an improvement than what's already there, which isn't much.

This whole secondary has been pretty a stage to bad.

I think the best player in the secondary so far has been Maddox, and he hasn't done anything other than not make glaring mistakes.

Of course they aren't helped by the worst group of LBs in the league and a D line that other than hargrave( excluding Injured graham) have been invisible as well.

I guess the most one can hope from McLeod is that he can be a bit of a stabalizing force on the back end but I'm not expecting much

 

I’m guessing that McLeod is closer to the end of his career than being a solid contributor anymore after another major injury. However the Eagles put themselves in this position because they keep refusing to use high draft picks to solve the problem at safety. They knew back in 2017 that Malcolm Jenkins was getting older and McLeod was beginning to make more money into his contract. They knew especially after 2018 the end for jenkins was coming and McLeod’s contract after his major injury wasn’t worth it. How many years has it been since they even draft a safety in the top 3 rounds? Nate Allen might be the last safety the eagles have spent a high draft pick on. Instead of drafting jjaw-ful maybe pick a good safety prospect as there were 3 very good safety prospects on the board. 

2 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Lot of people keep bouncing around the stat that the Chiefs have only covered the spread like once in their last 15 games or something. Fool's gold. They're easy money this week.

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Not exactly an expert who I would be inclined to listen to, but yeah, I can see this being true. I do love how everyone is an expert nowadays though - fans and media alike.

lol I can say both things without watching a minute of film 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

lol I can say both things without watching a minute of film 

I said it at halftime during the game. Not running the ball was completely idiotic. However a ton of those plays didn’t work cause our QB was awful and missing guys who were open. 

How many illegal man downfield were called against the Eagles?  That's a giveaway that Hurts is holding the ball too long for the play design; it needs to get out in rhythm for the OL to get the play blocked.  Holding it too long creates that penalty.  

The one on Dillard was Dillard's fault, though -- he started downfield almost right after the snap.  Stoutland will need to explain the play design to him.

4 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Lot of people keep bouncing around the stat that the Chiefs have only covered the spread like once in their last 15 games or something. Fool's gold. They're easy money this week.

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Not exactly an expert who I would be inclined to listen to, but yeah, I can see this being true. I do love how everyone is an expert nowadays though - fans and media alike.

A lot of "experts” have been mentioning point 2. Adam Caplan, who was initially mainly critical of Sirianni during the initial post game podcast, changed his tune on the podcast later in the week after the All 22 came out saying it mainly falls on Hurts for abandoning plays way too early when receivers were open and also missing throws that would have been huge gains. 

Did Watson land yet or what?

Eagles play zone defense way more than any other team, if they don’t get some sort of pas rush going, Mahomes is gonna pick them apart.  The Chiefs though are 31or 32 against the run, hopefully Siriani gets Sanders involved in the running game early and often, he should have at least 15 carries, unless they’re down 21-0 in the 1st quarter. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m guessing that McLeod is closer to the end of his career than being a solid contributor anymore after another major injury. However the Eagles put themselves in this position because they keep refusing to use high draft picks to solve the problem at safety. They knew back in 2017 that Malcolm Jenkins was getting older and McLeod was beginning to make more money into his contract. They knew especially after 2018 the end for jenkins was coming and McLeod’s contract after his major injury wasn’t worth it. How many years has it been since they even draft a safety in the top 3 rounds? Nate Allen might be the last safety the eagles have spent a high draft pick on. Instead of drafting jjaw-ful maybe pick a good safety prospect as their were 3 very good safety prospects on the board. 

Yup, I was all for eagles picking  a safety or two the last few years In the First 3 rounds,

And nothing, Howie probably figures gettng Kvon Wallace in the 4th is addressing safety because they had a 2nd round grade in him.

So far he's been a disappointment.

Back in 2017 the eagles had the least amount of money devoted to CB and one of the highest devoted to safety 

The FO said it was a decision based on analytics.

At the time I agreed. The way the league rules favor scoring and passing even the best highest paid CBs are going to be getting abused every week, meanwhile safeties are less expensive than corners on the open market and can offer more to a defense than a corner, especially if that corner can play nickel or in the box or be a blitzer.

As we all know the formula worked eagles win the super bowl Malcolm Jenkins played a lot and all over the place.

Since 2017 though they have put more resources and money into corner and less resources and money into safety which is where we are now, average safeties and over paid corners, not sure with what worked in 2017 Howie would go another direction.

Slay makes 17 mil this year, since being with the eagles he has 1 Int in 18 games not to mention a bunch of other bad games, last week he gave up 2 tds, and sadly he's the eagles best player in the secondary 

 

57 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I can certainly be swayed, just my opinion is trending downwards. I'm not calling for his head just yet, he'll have at least the year to grow into the role. Just the play calling, the penalties, his approach in general. I didn't expect him to win anything out of the gate, I thought there was a good chance we'll be 0-3 right now. I hope I'm wrong obviously, but this far in, he just seems like a nice guy the players like but not really a coach that's going to lead them to anything. Also, with his type of approach as is, it just seems like once the injuries and losses start piling up, the players will quickly just start going through the motions and not really respond to anything. 

I hear ya.  But, I think to a certain extent, he's finding his way.  He's never been a HC before.

Jets beating the Titans is on the table this week.

4 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup, I was all for eagles picking  a safety or two the last few years In the First 3 rounds,

And nothing, Howie probably figures gettng Kvon Wallace in the 4th is addressing safety because they had a 2nd round grade in him.

So far he's been a disappointment.

Back in 2017 the eagles had the least amount of money devoted to CB and one of the highest devoted to safety 

The FO said it was a decision based on analytics.

At the time I agreed. The way the league rules favor scoring and passing even the best highest paid CBs are going to be getting abused every week, meanwhile safeties are less expensive than corners on the open market and can offer more to a defense than a corner, especially if that corner can play nickel or in the box or be a blitzer.

As we all know the formula worked eagles win the super bowl Malcolm Jenkins played a lot and all over the place.

Since 2017 though they have put more resources and money into corner and less resources and money into safety which is where we are now, average safeties and over paid corners, not sure with what worked in 2017 Howie would go another direction.

Slay makes 17 mil this year, since being with the eagles he has 1 Int in 18 games not to mention a bunch of other bad games, last week he gave up 2 tds, and sadly he's the eagles best player in the secondary 

 

I was actually really high on wallace. But he can’t stay healthy and when he does play seems like he’s just a guy out there.

I disagreed with the trade for slay. Not cause of the compensation it took to get him. But the fact they should’ve started the rebuild in the 2020 offseason and they’d be wasting his last couple prime years on a team that needed a major rebuild and wasn’t winning anything but maybe a crap division. 

51 minutes ago, ToDie4Eagles said:

Hope he delivers some powerbombs 

That play was as big as any other in that game.  As big as Corey Clement's wheel route, the Philly Special, the strip sack... they ALL were huge.

26 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

If betting was legal in NC, I would load up on KC.  Easy 10+ win.  

I bet you wouldn't

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

Jets beating the Titans is on the table this week.

No, it's not.  

@LeanMeanGM

eagles: mucho pain

chiefs: unproven score 

17 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

How many illegal man downfield were called against the Eagles?  That's a giveaway that Hurts is holding the ball too long for the play design; it needs to get out in rhythm for the OL to get the play blocked.  Holding it too long creates that penalty.  

The one on Dillard was Dillard's fault, though -- he started downfield almost right after the snap.  Stoutland will need to explain the play design to him.

We have at least 3 this year. Johnson, Dillard and Dickerson. The one on Dickerson was real bad, I'm surprised no one posted a breakdown of it. Hurts held onto it forever and was motioning Watkins where to go while rolling out. 

52 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup it's not like it's Dawkins or Wes Hopkins coming back, 

McLeod even in his prime was just above a jag, dude is nothing but a jag with an Injury history now 

That's not correct.  He wasn't a star, but he was absolutely an above average safety.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's not correct.  He wasn't a star, but he was absolutely an above average safety.

Like I said just above a jag 

13 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

The Easy answer is Money. 

The question is if it was sharp money. I'll look now

Edit, I dont see it at 6.5 at my go to spots, if anything it looks like it may end up at 7.5 or 8

 

I only looked at draft kings whose sports book had it at -6.5. Seems like -7 is still most places but a few others have it at -6.5.

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/
 

 

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Ehhhh....Henry having 200 yards rushing is on the table this week.  

Got him on my fantasy team.  👍👍

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Like I said just above a jag 

I guess we have different opinions of JAG then.  To me a JAG is a guy you can pick up off the street.  McLeod was an above average starter, that's significantly above jag level.  Marcus Epps is a jag.  There's a gulf between where McLeod was in 2017 and where Marcus Epps is now.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yep.  Epps is a Jag.  McLeod wasn’t.  

The Jacksonville franchise is a jag….