4 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

Yes we know our generation is responsible for everything wrong 

 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

@Iggles_Phan i thought the defense and special teams did a great job in this game. Defense was getting after darnold which the panthers line is bad. And they finally were making some picks and turnovers. Special teams had the block but also the huge field goal right before the end of the first half. Honestly hats off to elliott he’s been much better this year. 

that said i thought the offense was frankly bad outside of 3 drives. The drive right before halftime to get a field goal. The drive in the 3rd quarter to bring it back to 15-13 and when they punched it in after the blocked punt. Otherwise it was a really hard watch. Similar to how the offense looked for long portions of the niners and Dallas games. Which when we play teams like atlanta and KC who’s defenses stink we are fine. But we have to see improvements in games not just against bad defenses like the giants, Washington and jets later in the year. we were fortunate that was a safety not a touchdowns. But the ball bounced our way.

i have to go back and re-watch the game pass but seemed like the oline was ok. Not great but solid enough. Penalties are still an issue hurting the eagles. We missed some throws and the running game still isn’t clicking. But defensively and ST were good. 

I agree with your assessment of the offense. Play calling was predictable and poorly executed. I mean at one point JJAW came on the field in the first half and I knew it was  going to be the screen play to Watkins as soon as JJAW Lined up outside.  Hurts missed a ton of throws in the first half and his INT was bad. I do think they did commit to running more in the second half on RPOs and 2 designed Hurts runs.  I have no idea why they don’t run more wr runs.  
 

The defense played well and was in a lot of single high safety looks.  Pressure led to some of the errant throws but I also think Darnold did not expect as much man coverage as they played. Frankly, every CB made some very good plays.  Part of that was because Darnold just isn’t that good.  

2 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

Well when you call just 3 runs against Dallas and 37 passes to 13 runs today with a QB he should know is lacking to say the least that’s on Sirianni and his play calling. 

They weren't even close to average running the ball.

Take away Sanders' 18 yard run at the end of the game and he's 10 for 27.  Take away Gainwell's 12 yard run at the end of the game and he's 1 for 4.

I will add though, Hurts had a success pulling the ball and running in the fourth quarter.  He did not do that earlier in the game. 

IMO, there are other things to be concerned with than the run/pass mix when you have three backups and a guy coming back from injury playing OL

 

4 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

Exactly. That’s not Hurts fault. We know he’s a one read and improvise QB. He needs a power running game with 20-25 pass tops. 
 

I think with the system Hurts can be successful. Like a Ravens type offense. 

Behind this OL?

Yeah, I'm not sure you're ever going to have a "power" running game with Dillard, Kelce, and Driscoll at guard.

1 minute ago, schuy7 said:

Yeah, I'm not sure you're ever going to have a "power" running game with Dillard, Kelce, and Driscoll.

Not to mention the lack of a "power" back.

22 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

We should be running the ball more... you can't have all your run calls be RPOs. I'm sure the running game wouldn't be as effective with our banged up OL, but it's not an excuse.

I'm not sure sirrianni actually has any running plays to the RBs at least that aren't RPOs, it's inside or outside zone off an RPO probably 90% of the run plays I'd say.

And who knows how many times Hurts checks out if a Run or just read the D wrong 

There were a few times today where had he given it the Running back picks up a big gain and a couple other times he gave it to the RB when he should have kept 

How much of the run game is on hurts or sirrianni or just what the D is taking away 

Seems to me that the D is taking away the give to the RB and forcing hurts to pass which why wouldn't they, sometimes that read is a WR screen off the RPO in which case seems the D is willing to give that up and then rally to the ball.

So far the offense to me seems fairly simple.

Sirrianni said it's an RPO offense and seems to me D coordinators have figured out the 4 options and Sirrianni hasn't adjusted.

RPOS can be effective but as the 2 previous eagles coaches found out one needs to have more than 4 plays in the playbook against NFL defenses 

 

6 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Yeah, I'm not sure you're ever going to have a "power" running game with Dillard, Kelce, and Driscoll at guard.

How about just a running game period? Sirianni rejects the run like it’s COVID. 

4 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I'm not sure sirrianni actually has any running plays to the RBs at least that aren't RPOs, it's inside or outside zone off an RPO probably 90% of the run plays I'd say.

And who knows how many times Hurts checks out if a Run or just read the D wrong 

There were a few times today where had he given it the Running back picks up a big gain and a couple other times he gave it to the RB when he should have kept 

How much of the run game on hurts as sirrianni or just what the D is taking away 

Seems to me that the D is taking away the give to the RB and forcing hurts to pass which why wouldn't they, sometimes that read is a WR screen off the RPO in which case seems the D is willing to give that up and then rally to the ball.

So far the offense to me seems fairly simple.

Sirrianni said it's an RPO offense and seems to me D coordinators have figured out the 4 options and Sirrianni hasn't adjusted.

RPOS can be effective but as the 2 previous eagles coaches found out one needs to have more than 4 plays in the playbook against NFL defenses 

 

That's easy to fix then.   You just make it an RPO without the P.   

6 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

They weren't even close to average running the ball.

Take away Sanders' 18 yard run at the end of the game and he's 10 for 27.  Take away Gainwell's 12 yard run at the end of the game and he's 1 for 4.

I will add though, Hurts had a success pulling the ball and running in the fourth quarter.  He did not do that earlier in the game. 

IMO, there are other things to be concerned with than the run/pass mix when you have three backups and a guy coming back from injury playing OL

 

Behind this OL?

I think there’s an argument that a varied running attack is harder to defend. The problem in part is that the runs all seem to be zone blocking RPOs.  

Toney looks like real deal for gints 

 

 11 touches
 196 total yards

 

had nice week last week too

Venison/Bison meatloaf fresh out of the smoker!

4 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I'm not sure sirrianni actually has any running plays to the RBs at least that aren't RPOs, it's inside or outside zone off an RPO probably 90% of the run plays I'd say.

And who knows how many times Hurts checks out if a Run or just read the D wrong 

There were a few times today where had he given it the Running back picks up a big gain and a couple other times he gave it to the RB when he should have kept 

How much of the run game on hurts as sirrianni or just what the D is taking away 

Seems to me that the D is taking away the give to the RB and forcing hurts to pass which why wouldn't they, sometimes that read is a WR screen off the RPO in which case seems the D is willing to give that up and then rally to the ball.

So far the offense to me seems fairly simple.

Sirrianni said it's an RPO offense and seems to me D coordinators have figured out the 4 options and Sirrianni hasn't adjusted.

RPOS can be effective but as the 2 previous eagles coaches found out one needs to have more than 4 plays in the playbook against NFL defenses 

 

I think that they've taken some run plays out of the game plan solely because of the guys they are dressing each week.  There are certain double teams, traps, etc. that maybe aren't within Dickerson''s and Driscoll's capacity yet.

And there’s this

 

 

2 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Toney looks like real deal for gints 

 

 11 touches
 196 total yards

 

had nice week last week too

He's extremely dynamic and super quick twitch.  Reminds me of Percy Harvin and not just because of the UF stuff.  I have a feeling we're going to see more big highlight plays from him than we will of Smith.  

 

15 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Yeah, I'm not sure you're ever going to have a "power" running game with Dillard, Kelce, and Driscoll at guard.

I wish we would at least try

Can't wait until Collinsworth retires

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

He's extremely dynamic and super quick twitch.  Reminds me of Percy Harvin and not just because of the UF stuff.  I have a feeling we're going to see more big highlight plays from him than we will of Smith.  

Part of that is we dont have a good enough QB to throw Smith the ball . ARe you aware of how much SMith is wide open and Hurts is either bailing or looking elsewhere? 

19 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Pretty poisonous tone overall after a road win over a 3-1 team who was favored to win by Las Vegas oddsmakers 

4 days from now, after a double-digit loss at home to the defending Super Bowl champion?  Most of it has already been written, but it won’t stop folks from jumping off ledges 

It was a pretty ugly win, so I expected some frustration. Hurts still looks very limited, but despite a bunch of trash bags on defense outside of a couple players, we still managed 3 picks to keep us in striking distance. They let us hang around and it bit them in the ass. 

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's easy to fix then.   You just make it an RPO without the P.   

Go wishbone👍

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

 

EPA is used in QBR I believe, which probably  means Hurts QBR rating took another hit, it was around 38 before the game.   Not to be confused with passer rating, which is completely useless. 

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

It was a crapfest and there is no way to sugarcoat it.

1 minute ago, Ipiggles said:

Part of that is we dont have a good enough QB to throw Smith the ball . ARe you aware of how much SMith is wide open and Hurts is either bailing or looking elsewhere? 

Yea, and I should finish that thought or rephrase it.  I wasn't implying that Smith won't put up yardage and make big plays because as you alluded to, he is always open.  He was 7 for 77 today, not a bad day.  Steady, almost Jordan Matthews kind of production.  I just think Toney is going to make more of the tweetable, instant reaction, joystick move kind of highlights. 

6 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

He's extremely dynamic and super quick twitch.  Reminds me of Percy Harvin and not just because of the UF stuff.  I have a feeling we're going to see more big highlight plays from him than we will of Smith.  

He was a playmaker in college , no reason to think he wouldn’t be in the nfl , he can hit it from anywhere on the field , better QB wouldn’t hurt .

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That game wasn't an enjoyable one to watch.  

It was much better in person. 

Darnold was terrible. The Panthers may be in the market for a QB this offseason. 

11 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I think that they've taken some run plays out of the game plan solely because of the guys they are dressing each week.  There are certain double teams, traps, etc. that maybe aren't within Dickerson''s and Driscoll's capacity yet.

Maybe.

I'd like to see some traps or counter traps, also what happened to any WR runs?

Reagor can be effective on jet sweeps yet he has what 1 , 2 this year 

The lack of pre snap motion on offense and lack of any ingenuity in the run game is a head scratcher but perhaps you are correct in that the Injuries along the OL limit what Sirrianni is comfortable calling in the run game