6 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Who's the salary cap guy on here?

From purely a football standpoint, not taking away from the seriousness of whatever he's going through, this is an ideal situation for the Eagles to see what they really have at tackle.   We now get a trial run with Dillard and Mailata as the bookends, a scenario many of us talked about in the months building up to the season.  What if Dillard and Mailata show that they are the answer?  Mailata has his extension and Dillard will be going in to his 4h year, prime extension candidate.  Lane could become expendable.  

What are the cap implications if:

Lane retires

Lane is traded

Lane is cut

 

If Lane retires after 2021, then it is treated as if he was cut or released for cap purposes. The salary cap ramifications are huge. It would be a $35M dead money hit (Net negative impact of of $19M).  My guess is that if he retires, he will restructure a deal so they can consider him a June 1st cut - as they did with Jason Kelce's latest contract.

However, they could seek a return of prorated bonus money, which would be credited to them in the cap. However, that process could take a long time and likely wouldn't result in any credit against the cap in 2022.

If he's traded after this year, but before June 1st, it's a $28M dead cap hit (Net negative impact of $12M), so he's basically  untradeable before then.

If he's traded after June 1, 2022, then the dead cap hit is $8M ($7.7M savings) in 2022, but a $7.7M dead money hit in 2023.

11 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Devils advocate....if QB1 even has an average game prior to this then there wouldn't be a need for so called crunch time.

 

Maybe he would have had a chance to have a better game if Sirianni called anything more than WR screens for much of the first half. 

Also maybe help your QB out by running the ball against a team that gave up over 200 yards rushing the week prior. 

16 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Who's the salary cap guy on here?

What are the cap implications if:

Lane retires

As posted below.  The team does not get any salary cap relief if a player retires.  The player does not get any money, but the cap ramifications do not go away.

The only option a team has is to use the post June 1 designation.

3 minutes ago, erformc said:

If Lane retires after 2021, then it is treated as if he was cut or released for cap purposes. The salary cap ramifications are huge. It would be a $35M dead money hit (Net negative impact of of $19M).  My guess is that if he retires, he will restructure a deal so they can consider him a June 1st cut - as they did with Jason Kelce's latest contract.

However, they could seek a return of prorated bonus money, which would be credited to them in the cap. However, that process could take a long time and likely wouldn't result in any credit against the cap in 2022.

If he's traded after this year, but before June 1st, it's a $28M dead cap hit (Net negative impact of $12M), so he's basically  untradeable before then.

If he's traded after June 1, 2022, then the dead cap hit is $8M ($7.7M savings) in 2022, but a $7.7M dead money hit in 2023.

 

Just now, erformc said:

If Lane retires after 2021, then it is treated as if he was cut or released for cap purposes. The salary cap ramifications are huge. It would be a $35M dead money hit (Net negative impact of of $19M).  My guess is that if he retires, he will restructure a deal so they can consider him a June 1st cut - as they did with Jason Kelce's latest contract.

However, they could seek a return of prorated bonus money, which would be credited to them in the cap. However, that process could take a long time and likely wouldn't result in any credit against the cap in 2022.

If he's traded after this year, but before June 1st, it's a $28M dead cap hit (Net negative impact of $12M), so he's basically  untradeable before then.

If he's traded after June 1, 2022, then the dead cap hit is $8M ($7.7M savings) in 2022, but a $7.7M dead money hit in 2023.

Mostly agree with this but his base salary is guaranteed next year. If he retired he would void that guarantee so the ramifications are slightly less harsh than just a straight release. 

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don't see how they can just keep on piling up huge amounts of dead money while trying to build a competitive roster. It would be anywhere from $28 to $35M in dead money. Once they restructured him a few months ago it was pretty clear they intended him to be here next year. 

Exactly. Same with the Fletcher Cox restructure, which I didn't like because it ensured he won't be traded this year and will be here next year. I'm sure they did it to have room for the Mailata and Swett extensions.

3 hours ago, bpac55 said:

So what do we do with Slay after the season?  If he's here in 2022, he has a cap hit of $22 million, $4 million which is guaranteed in March.  He already restructured once but I don't know any of the restructure rules.

Is DUMike the cap guy?

I'm sure that can will be kicked yet again 

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Maybe he would have had a chance to have a better game if Sirianni called anything more than WR screens for much of the first half. 

Also maybe help your QB out by running the ball against a team that gave up over 200 yards rushing the week prior. 

Not arguing those thigs one bit but let's not act like Hurts played well.  He did not.

2 things that stood out to me.

Eagles had the ball around what, the Panthers 12 yard line?  Hurts audibles to a WR screen and they lose 6 yards.

Panthers are offsides and the Eagles have a free play.  Hurts throws the ball out of the end zone.  

 

3 minutes ago, erformc said:

If Lane retires after 2021, then it is treated as if he was cut or released for cap purposes. The salary cap ramifications are huge. It would be a $35M dead money hit (Net negative impact of of $19M).  My guess is that if he retires, he will restructure a deal so they can consider him a June 1st cut - as they did with Jason Kelce's latest contract.

However, they could seek a return of prorated bonus money, which would be credited to them in the cap. However, that process could take a long time and likely wouldn't result in any credit against the cap in 2022.

If he's traded after this year, but before June 1st, it's a $28M dead cap hit (Net negative impact of $12M), so he's basically  untradeable before then.

If he's traded after June 1, 2022, then the dead cap hit is $8M ($7.7M savings) in 2022, but a $7.7M dead money hit in 2023.

solid, thanks.  

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Mostly agree with this but his base salary is guaranteed next year. If he retired he would void that guarantee so the ramifications are slightly less harsh than just a straight release. 

True. Didn't consider that in my original answer, but it's still a $28M hit, which they can't take. They'll just have to make him a June 1st designation like they are going to do with Kelce.  I'm sure Lane would accommodate them by not retiring until after that, especially since they're supporting him during this time. 

4 hours ago, bpac55 said:

So what do we do with Slay after the season?  If he's here in 2022, he has a cap hit of $22 million, $4 million which is guaranteed in March.  He already restructured once but I don't know any of the restructure rules.

Is DUMike the cap guy?

Click on the link and change the drop down to see how the 4 scenarios change the cap hits.  Best option is a post June 1 trade, 5.5 dead 16.5 saved.

https://overthecap.com/player/darius-slay/2358/

Just now, bpac55 said:

Not arguing those thigs one bit but let's not act like Hurts played well.  He did not.

2 things that stood out to me.

Eagles had the ball around what, the Panthers 12 yard line?  Hurts audibles to a WR screen and they lose 6 yards.

Panthers are offsides and the Eagles have a free play.  Hurts throws the ball out of the end zone.  

 

Where did I say he or act like he played well? 

I pointed out that yet again the awful play calling by Sirianni did his young QB no favors at all. 

 

He is by far the worst play caller I have ever seen for a redzone offense.  I would like to see the breakdown of how many running plays we have actually called in the redzone compared to passing plays.  I think we have only had 5 or so running plays called in the redzone this season and most of those resulted in a TD.  The rest of the plays, all passes. 

3 minutes ago, erformc said:

but it's still a $28M hit, which they can't take.

Especially with 35.7 million dead already on the books.

3 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I thought Toney was a reach.  I knew Reagor was a reach. But Reagor is looking worse than I thought he would.  

I thought Toney was a bit of a reach and I thought the Giants didn't need that in round 1 either. But seeing how their receiving core resembles our o-line situation, maybe it wasn't  the worst pick.  Especially if he is going to be actually, good.

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Where did I say he or act like he played well? 

I pointed out that yet again the awful play calling by Sirianni did his young QB no favors at all. 

 

He is by far the worst play caller I have ever seen for a redzone offense.  I would like to see the breakdown of how many running plays we have actually called in the redzone compared to passing plays.  I think we have only had 5 or so running plays called in the redzone this season and most of those resulted in a TD.  The rest of the plays, all passes. 

Seems we’re ranked 11th in the NFL at red zone TDs. Currently 4% higher than last year

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct?date=2021-10-11

35 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I don't get it honestly.  I have posted his own words multiple times, and he continues to lie and say he did not say it.  Definition of a troll.

Yet you engage him... constantly.   Who is the bigger fool?

13 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'm pretty naïve and also don't watch much TV.  What show would that be and what do you think is going on? 

Rehab

7 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Think Dillard has played well enough to get something good for him at the deadline?

IMO with the cards TE going down for the year and them in the hunt for it all , ertz trade value should be at it's peak. he would go to a contender and hopefully the eagles could get decent return. also miles might get you a decent pick too , start gainwell with scott backing up. just a thought so rip away guys and gals/

13 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

If Lane is here then he’s your RT. He’s elite. 
 

Dillard can go back to bench and continue to learn how to play RT. 

He WAS elite. He is not elite any more.  He was not playing at an elite level before he left.

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yet you engage him... constantly.   Who is the bigger fool?

Do not question what I do for my own amusement.

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Especially with 35.7 million dead already on the books.

They're going to have $40M+ in dead money in 2022 just from players whose contract expire this year.

AJ and Malik - $14.5M
Barnett - $7.3M
Kelce - $4.5M
Ertz - $3.6M
Harris - $2.4M
McCleod - $2.1M
Flacco - $1.9M
Wilson - $1.4M
Nelson - $1.2M
Kerrigan - $1.1M
 

 

Pain in the ass skimming by all the posts by 12 year olds trying to one up each other, get a life! Ok, maybe it'll take a few years. 🥵

Goedert is a solid two way TE, he lacks the great hands to make tough catches in crowds, the deep speed to threaten the seam, but he's an above average in line blocker for a TE, he's a reliable receiver and he'll get $10+M. But he shouldn't be paid like a top 5 TE because he isn't one. But he has plenty of value.

People need to relax, it's a rebuilding year, they're gonna get a big haul next year in the draft (Howie will wheel and deal), they're auditioning a lot of guys drafted the past few years, some wil step up, some will fail:  Hurts, Gainwell, Smith, Watkins, Reagor, Stoll, eventually Jackson, Mailata, Herbig, Dickerson, Driscoll, Toth, Williams, Jackson, Taylor, Bradley, McPhearson, Wallace, Epps.  Figure 10-15 new bodies next year, and another 10 the year after. Hurts is up and down, well, look at other young QBs, it's pretty common.

I think there is a simple reason Kerrigan is struggling, he's got his hand on the ground, how often did he do that in Washington? If Graham is healthy, he's probably used more as a joker, but with Avery and Johnson, and age sapping his speed, SLB is out of the question. Avery is finally used the way he should be.

Given new schemes, new coaches, new players and a tough first half schedule, what's not to like? You expected them to come out of the gate flying?

They were 4-11-1 last year and didn't exactly go on a shopping spree, and Howie sacrificed this year to load up for next season in the draft.

 

46 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

She looks like a minor while he looks like he's 30s or 40s. Yikes

yup

4 minutes ago, erformc said:

They're going to have $40M+ in dead money in 2022 just from players whose contract expire this year.

AJ and Malik - $14.5M
Barnett - $7.3M
Kelce - $4.5M
Ertz - $3.6M
Harris - $2.4M
McCleod - $2.1M
Flacco - $1.9M
Wilson - $1.4M
Nelson - $1.2M
Kerrigan - $1.1M
 

 

Kelce is under contract for 2022.  Not saying he wont retire and add to this, but he has a contract in place for 2022.

46 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I don't get it honestly.  I have posted his own words multiple times, and he continues to lie and say he did not say it.  Definition of a troll.

No kidding!!!!!! What don't you get?

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Kelce is under contract for 2022.  Not saying he wont retire and add to this, but he has a contract in place for 2022.

That's only so they can post June 1st him. If that wasn't there they wouldn't be able to. And they also put that poison pill in it to ensure that year doesn't happen. 

2 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Seems we’re ranked 11th in the NFL at red zone TDs. Currently 4% higher than last year

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct?date=2021-10-11

 

Inflated by the first game against Altanta which was the only game this season that the play calling had a good mix of everything a d they went 3/3 in the redzone. 

 

Since we have had the terrible redzone offensive calls in the 49ers game at the end of the half where they had 7 plays inside the 10 yard line due to multiple penalties and ran the ball just once on what was a sweep pass to the right on the 1 yard line instead of a run right up the middle and it ended up losing 3 yards.  Eagles of course walked away with no points after the failed Philly special on 4th down and the 49ers went down the field to score a TD before half. 

They had another redzone opportunity that game which they did run with a Hurts sneek and scored. 

 

Kansas City and Panthers more heavy redzone passing play calls right near the goalline with a reluctance to run the ball which resulted in field goals. 

 

The closer this team gets to the goalline the more reluctant Sirianni gets to running the ball.