2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You just have to have someone in the area to throw to that’s close to the pass. If you botch it and just throw it in the vicinity of a receiver. Better that you have it on third down then if you have it on fourth down and botch it then you really have no shot

I have doubts of the kicker or holder being able to identify eligible receivers on a botched snap 

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

On an actual FG, there's nobody to throw it to. They're all staying in to block. You'd have to throw it at someone's feet and hope it doesn't bounce up into traffic. Trying to do all that properly after fielding a botched snap is a corner case. 

Again if you don’t do it on third down you don’t even have that minuscule remote possibility of having that. On fourth down if it all goes wrong it is completely over. If it goes wrong on third down you at least have that small sliver of hope that it could happen.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I have doubts of the kicker or holder being able to identify eligible receivers on a botched snap 

I’m not saying it’s a high percentage chance of happening. However if you don’t do it on third down then If it happens on fourth down it’s really over. At least on third down you have that small remote chance you could have that happen and get to a fourth down to have another kick

4 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

They have looked like this in the beginning of every season. They still only scored 29 points throwing it 60 times. They better get more balance then that 

They can get away with that in this awful division.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Good point. I always felt kickers kinda don’t try once they hear a whistle so that happens more often than not. 

And some say they use it as a practice kick and try to make it. I don't think there is a right way to do it, that is more of a luck thing I think

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

He said Dak is a great QB

It's hard to disagree after that performance.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Again if you don’t do it on third down you don’t even have that minuscule remote possibility of having that. On fourth down if it all goes wrong it is completely over. If it goes wrong on third down you at least have that small sliver of hope that it could happen.

I don't think it matters either way. It's like trying to pick the best hook and ladder play to call when you need to go 80 yards with 3 seconds on the clock. If you're already in that position, you're just shuffling deck chairs.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

They can get away with that in this awful division.

True, still I think you are playing with fire asking your QB to drop back that much. We have all seen it here

4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I don't think it matters either way. It's like trying to pick the best hook and ladder play to call when you need to go 80 yards with 3 seconds on the clock. If you're already in that position, you're just shuffling deck chairs.

I don’t know about you but I want at least a possibility even if it’s only 1% I might have another chance to kick it on fourth down if things go to crap.  To me doing it on third down and have that chance if it does go wrong is more vital than running off three seconds off the clock throwing it away with Brady and having 0% if things go wrong on 4th

Alright dateline is on after the game… what a opening night of football 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Again if you don’t do it on third down you don’t even have that minuscule remote possibility of having that. On fourth down if it all goes wrong it is completely over. If it goes wrong on third down you at least have that small sliver of hope that it could happen.

I’m not saying it’s a high percentage chance of happening. However if you don’t do it on third down you can definitely not do it on fourth down because then it’s really over. At least on third down you have that small remote chance you could have that get to a fourth down to have another kick

Yea, I get it. I think taking as much time off the clock is more valuable than insurance on a botched snap which has the potential of pushing you farther back. It’s probably one of those situational things it’s almost a coin flip. 

TB got very lucky.  It's not often you have 4 turnovers and still win.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t know about you but I want at least a possibility even if it’s only 1% I might have another chance to kick it on fourth down if things go to crap.  To me doing it on third down and have that chance if it does go wrong than running off three seconds off the clock throwing it away with Brady. 

It's probably more like 0.01%. Botched snaps are rare in their own right, but fielding them and being able to get a pass off, in this case to an eligible receiver's feet without things going awry is an extreme rare occurrence of an already fairly rare scenario. If they had a time out it's much different, you just need to eat the ball and call a time out. 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Yea, I get it. I think taking as much time off the clock is more valuable than insurance on a botched snap which has the potential of pushing you farther back. It’s probably one of those situational things it’s almost a coin flip. 

I look at it this way the Cowboys got the ball with two seconds left. If they would’ve kicked it on third down, the Cowboys would’ve only got the ball with five seconds left. The difference between two seconds and five seconds where I at least get a remote chance if I screw up and botch it is more important to me than the three extra seconds run off because the Cowboys are not gonna do anything with those three extra seconds. 

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

It's probably more like 0.01%. Botched snaps are rare in their own right, but fielding them and being able to get a pass off, in this case to an eligible receiver's feet without things going awry is an extreme rare occurrence of an already fairly rare scenario. If they had a time out it's much different, you just need to eat the ball and call a time out. 

Even if it’s just a .01% chance it is better than 0%. Literally that bucs only ran three seconds off by running another play on third down. So the Cowboys were gonna do something with five seconds as compared to two seconds? Either way the Cowboys were not doing anything with five seconds remaining and having to go 50-60 yards to get in the field-goal range. Even if it’s that small of a chance it’s still more of a chance then you would’ve had on 4th down if it happened which would be zero

Dak is going to throw for 5500 yards this year and Dallas may still finish under .500. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Even if it’s just a .01% chance it is better than 0%. Literally that bucs only ran three seconds off by running another play on third down. So the Cowboys we’re gonna do something with five seconds as compared to two seconds? Either way the Cowboys were not doing anything with five seconds remaining and having to go 50-60 yards to get in the field-goal range. Even if it’s that small of a chance it’s still more of a chance then you would’ve had on 4th down if it happened which would be zero

Yea it's better than zero. But not gonna matter either way 9,999 times out of 10,000.

9 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Yea it's better than zero. But not gonna matter either way 9,999 times out of 10,000.

yes it’s not very likely to happen. The point is you play the percentages in your favor just in case it does happen. The three less seconds was that important? The cowboys with 5 seconds as compare to 2 seconds from the 25 was gonna make a huge difference? 

also on third down what happens if there was a bad snap to Brady in the shotgun and he’s not able to pick it up to throw it away and the clock runs out.  you don’t even get an attempt at a field goal. That’s not very likely either but that’s a possibility that could’ve happened on third down and they don’t even get a field goal attempt. Which then comes back to the difference between five seconds and two seconds was going to make the difference for Dallas winning or losing this game?

it doesn’t matter now because everything went correctly. To me I’d rather give myself a small percentage chance in case the worse happens then worry about Dallas scoring with five seconds as compared to two seconds because the only way Dallas scores and wins that game is if we really F up on special teams or on defense

Seemed like the Bucs had enough injuries in the secondary to make them susceptible to a really good passing attack.

Can't draw too many conclusions after week one.

The Pats lost 31-0 to the Bills in the 2003 opener and ended the season winning SB 38.

 

 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

yes it’s not very likely to happen. The point is you play the percentages in your favor just in case it does happen. The three extra seconds was that important? The cowboys with 5 seconds as compare to 2 seconds from the 25 was gonna make a huge difference? 

also on third down what happens if there was a bad snap to Brady in the shotgun and he’s not able to pick it up to throw it away and the clock runs out.  you don’t even get an attempt at a field goal. That’s not very likely either but that’s a possibility that could’ve happened on third down and they don’t even get a field goal attempt. 

Agreed on the second part, but we're still talking about things that are negligible decisions. In actuality, I'd say the chances of an offensive penalty are probably higher, which would bolster your case to kick on 3rd down far better than trying to compensate for a potential botched snap.

Everyone will say Dallas looked good, kept it close, is for real, etc. 

Meanwhile, they lost a game when they were +3 in turnovers. That’s damn near impossible. Tampa tried to give them the game, and they still lost. 

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Everyone will say Dallas looked good, kept it close, is for real, etc. 

Meanwhile, they lost a game when they were +3 in turnovers. That’s damn near impossible. Tampa tried to give them the game, and they still lost. 

With all of TBs secondary injured. 

10 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Agreed on the second part, but we're still talking about things that are negligible decisions. In actuality, I'd say the chances of an offensive penalty are probably higher, which would bolster your case to kick on 3rd down far better than trying to compensate for a potential botched snap.

I think there’s multiple reasons i would kick it on third down. 1. you get an extra potential chance at kicking it if things do go wrong. Even if it is .01% chance. 2. You also have the potential that theres a bad snap to Brady and he’s not able to recover or not able to throw it away and the clock runs out(granted that could happen on a fg too but that’s where i get potentially another chance like i was indicating even if it’s 0.01%). 3. Like you said you also have the potential for a penalty where it backs you up more or kills the clock (granted could also get a holding penalty on a kick). 

you’re right there’s a couple reasons why I would’ve chosen to kick it on third down. It makes more sense to me then killing three more seconds so the clock is at 2 seconds compared to 5. 5 seconds or 2 seconds the cowboys had to do laterals to win regardless 

Groundhog Day II — Starring Dak Prescott

A man goes to work every day and throws for 400+ yards, but it’s all for nothing and a big L goes up in the standings.  
 

Same old sorry-arse Turds.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think there’s multiple reasons i would kick it on third down. 1. you get an extra potential chance at kicking it if things do go wrong. Even if it is .01% chance. 2. You also have the potential that theres a bad snap to Brady and he’s not able to recover or not able to throw it away and the clock runs out. 3. Like you said you also have the potential for a penalty where it backs you up more or kills the clock (granted could also get a holding penalty on a kick). 

you’re right there’s a couple reasons why I would’ve chosen to kick it on third down. It makes more sense to me then killing three more seconds so the clock is at 2 seconds compared to 5. 5 seconds or 2 seconds the cowboys had to do laterals to win regardless 

Fair enough

In fairness, 1 turnover was a Hail Mary at half time so it was irrelevant. 
 

Dak played very well. If his O-Line stays healthy he’ll put up good to great numbers. When Cooper is on, him and Lamb are an elite tandem.