4 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

 

9 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Why wouldn't it? The constitution is apparently racist as are those who wrote it.  You have those involved in writing it who have had their statues torn down, names removed from schools.  Why wouldn't Independence Hall be an eventual next target of those who want to destroy our history? 

Nobody is destroying history, the history is still there.  Honoring those who were racist, fought for slavery, and were on the losing side of trying to become their own country is long overdue.  The confederate flag and all the other loser participation trophies need to go.  We will still always know about the dbags on that side.

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Nobody is destroying history, the history is still there.  Honoring those who were racist, fought for slavery, and were on the losing side of trying to become their own country is long overdue.  The confederate flag and all the other loser participation trophies need to go.  We will still always know about the dbags on that side.

 

I'm not talking confederate or civil war.  I'm talking about those who have been involved with writing the constitution who have had their statues torn down, their names removed form schools and other buildings.  The constitution has been declared a racist document.  It's only a matter of time before Independence Hall becomes a target of the insanity.  That probably won't be until the next election year though, that's typically when the media and politicians like to really ratchet up all the race baiting to rile people up for political gain. 

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Nobody is destroying history, the history is still there.  Honoring those who were racist, fought for slavery, and were on the losing side of trying to become their own country is long overdue.  The confederate flag and all the other loser participation trophies need to go.  We will still always know about the dbags on that side.

I want to think that it’s true but there’s a lot of uneducated and just stupid people out there. on a newsfeed the other day, they were talking about how people wanted to get rid of the Concentration camps around Europe. One of the comments was it’s an eyesore so they should get rid of it. I’m almost positive this special moron didn’t even know what actually happened there.

This isn’t dont take down the statues. Either way doesn’t make a difference to me. but more to the point there’s a lot of people out there who have no clue about the details of history. 

4 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

I'm not talking confederate or civil war.  I'm talking about those who have been involved with writing the constitution who have had their statues torn down, their names removed form schools and other buildings. 

I know I shouldn't, but give me one example of a name or statue that should not have been removed.

11 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Nobody is destroying history, the history is still there.  Honoring those who were racist, fought for slavery, and were on the losing side of trying to become their own country is long overdue.  The confederate flag and all the other loser participation trophies need to go.  We will still always know about the dbags on that side.

Show me on the doll where the statue hurt you

This erasing of history is right out of 1984, welcome to the dystopian future

Pretending that a statue will make someone racist is peak idiocy.  

43 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yes and I was asking specifically what he did on Sunday that was stupid, as all the other players mentioned one could point to a specific stupidity.

I'm frustrated with Reagor I hoped for a lot more and I have no problem with calling him a knuckle head when warranted and I don't think he did anything horribly stupid in Sunday.

Did he leave some plays in the field? Sure, but I don't think it was because he was bei g stupid.

The most unintelligent play I saw all game and maybe all Sunday from all games was Hurts tossing the ball out of bounds on a freebie, that was a galactically stupid play.

 

Well Barnett didn't do anything stupid this game either, but a broken clock is right twice a day as well. We could debate about him returning the kicks out of the endzone, and while he wasn't responsible for the bad snap and clown show that resulted in a safety....if he had taken a knee and we had an extra 10 yards of field to work with, it's probably not a safety. 

The bottom line is over the course of his career, he is another dumb player on this team. And not just run of the mill dumb that doesn't affect anything. He's dumb to the point that he's detrimental to our team. And he's not alone, which is frustrating. 

30 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

There's a lot of stupid penalties and decisions, including Ward's penalty, that are the result of a poorly coached team.  I mean sure Sanders deserves blame for the play but why is the team running a speed option lateral to the LOS to kill the clock.   

The play call was fine IMO. You have an expectation that your players know the very basics of football. A 10 year old kid playing Madden has more football IQ than a lot of our guys. That's sad. 

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I know I shouldn't, but give me one example of a name or statue that should not have been removed.

I can provide you many but I will only provide a few, otherwise I'd be spending all day on this providing a massive amount of examples. 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/19/us/portland-george-washington-statue-toppled-trnd/index.html

 

https://www.thecollegefix.com/university-removes-statues-of-thomas-jefferson-benjamin-franklin/

 

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/politics/2020/september/dc-mayors-committee-wants-fed-govt-to-remove-washington-monument-jefferson-memorial

 

https://www.westernjournal.com/chicago-considers-removal-lincoln-washington-statues-part-confronting-hard-truths-citys-racial-history/

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

 

Entertain me funny man.  

Where's that clown Bacarty when you need him

35 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I would add to this there’s a lot of times where his body language just sucks when he’s out there. You watch him it feels like he is just going through the motions because either he does not think the ball is coming his way or the game is not going according to how he thinks it should go. And it’s something that was discussed during the pre draft process by Daniel Jeremiah. I thought Reagor could be similar to how Chris Chambers was at the NFL level. The more games go on and pass, the more i just see him having a NFL career similar to that of cordarrelle Patterson (not this particular year with atlanta) 

Agreed. He looks checked out at times, DBs pick up on that. The best receivers focus on all of the little details, Quez spent all offseason focusing on filling in some of those gaps (and its paying off). I like your comps of Reagor, I would take Chambers any day, but he needs to focus on the details of playing the position. One guy who really had a lock down on all the little things for route running was Jimmy Smith. I go back and watch his film and every route looks the same in the first 3 yards (regardless of if he was getting the ball or not). Reagor needs to put in the work and watch some film

3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Show me on the doll where the statue hurt you

This erasing of history is right out of 1984, welcome to the dystopian future

Pretending that a statue will make someone racist is peak idiocy.  

How is history being erased ??  We know it happened, and will always know it happened.  Removing statues honoring those on the wrong side of history does not change it or make it go away.  

8 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I know I shouldn't, but give me one example of a name or statue that should not have been removed.

How about Thomas Jefferson?

 

Let me know how many statues we have to remove before racism is ended.

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

 

Entertain me funny man.  

 

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

How is history being erased ??  We know it happened, and will always know it happened.  Removing statues honoring those on the wrong side of history does not change it or make it go away.  

A statue is a statue, it is a symbol and nothing more

Youre doing ZERO to address racism or anything else by removing a statue.  I could easily argue that leaving the statues allows us to learn about our history instead of hiding from it

 

5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

can provide you many but I will only provide a few, otherwise I'd be spending all day on this providing a massive amount of examples. 

So one during a protest, Washburn college making their own decision to remove one, and two that are in discussion, but will never happen.

4 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

A statue is a statue, it is a symbol and nothing more

Youre doing ZERO to address racism or anything else by removing a statue.  I could easily argue that leaving the statues allows us to learn about our history instead of hiding from it

 

Last I am gonna say on it.  Statues are an honor, and you should not honor racists.

Politics are nothing more than taking a narrative you agree or disagree with and then espousing those virtues onto everyone else.

 15% of folks on one side want statues torn down because they’ve been told to be offended, the other sides 15%, refuse to explain or teach anyone why the statues were put their in the first place.  

The rest of us 70%ers?  We just want a clean bathroom on the turnpike to take a crap in and not have to look @olsilverhairtonsils through a peep hole in the stall.
 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

So one during a protest, Washburn college making their own decision to remove one, and two that are in discussion, but will never happen.

Last I am gonna say on it.  Statues are an honor, and you should not honor racists.

Lol "racists" like Thomas Jefferson and George Washington

Youre a fool, thats the last Ill say on it

2 hours ago, Desertbirds said:

According to the hyper-woke, that's what the country was founded on.

Well, there is some truth the that, if you study cultural history and read some of the legislation. Until 1848, except in widowhood, women really couldn’t own property and were limited in business opportunities.  Look closely at some of the witch trials and who were accused, women in possession of property. Patriarchal if you desire but misogynistic fits too.

Some people overlook indenture and its place in our history but compare laws to indenture to laws on slavery. We see people declared as Freemen early in colonial records. But we had states that prohibited a black man from owning property, while having laws protecting the indentured from slavery (although company store controlled towns sure put that to the challenge.) 

Maybe look at schools like the Carlisle school to get an idea of how we viewed native Indian cultures. Same with the reservations.  Basically to convert natives to European way of life.   Look at the whole giving and taking that occurred with land for reservations. 

Look at the early treatment of the Scots and Irish.  No coincidence those folk were on the borders of the wilderness.  Get out to Huntington in PA and read about the burning of settlements because they were pushing the boundaries of what was allowed after the French Indian War.  We read about the tea party but westward expansion was a focus of the Revolutionary War for many.  Look at Irish in the Civil War having bartered to take a draftee’s place, usually of English decent.  

Then look at the conflict between Irish and freed slaves after the war, especially in the Panic year over jobs.  We’ve seen that here with immigrants too, from the Chinese Exclusion Act to quotas on southern and Eastern Europeans.  Those colorful words that Archie Bunker used, had a background in turn of the century immigration.  The newest being looked down on.  We saw some of that, although not widely discussed, between Blacks and Hispanic immigrants and Asians.  

While Penn welcomed all religions, don’t forget about Williams being kicked out of Massachusetts.  Look at the fact that it wasn’t until 1960 that we had a Catholic President and are only on our second.  Yes, discrimination against Catholics and Jews was a real thing.  Atheists and Agnostics weren’t really free to espouse their beliefs without facing discrimination. 

Look at our history on treatment of the LBGQT community.  The decisions against and, yes, for discrimination are recent and ongoing.

So, yes, all of those things shaped the America we have today.  Hell it shaped my family. It helps with making our country and society diverse and improving all the time.  That’s not woke, that’s our history, warts and all.  I can cite to experiences with much of the above from my own extended family history and not always on the better side.  

"Woke” seems to have a very negative connotation for you.  Not sure I truly understand. Some of the extremes you point to do not seem awake to me at all but rather stifling of thought and speech.  Well, the fascists on the left scare me as much as the fascists on the right.  But there is a difference between culling speech and thought on either side and deliberately not understanding our true history and favoring ignorance over knowledge is just as dangerous as I see it.  I believe, as an academic, that you are railing against the former and not the latter.

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

So one during a protest, Washburn college making their own decision to remove one, and two that are in discussion, but will never happen.

 

I can keep on providing links if you want.  Or you can keep acting like the founding fathers aren't an active target of the woke movement.  Independence Hall is a natural next target once it becomes the season of an election year for politicians and media to try and flair up racial tension as much as they can for their own political gain. 

Tomorrow is Game Day

All who want to discuss, here is the CVON Gruden thread.  Time to move this out of the blog, and get back to making fun of bacarty ( and discussing the Eagles )

https://www.eaglesmessageboard.com/topic/4097-jon-gruden-former-coach-of-las-vegas/

 

 

So regarding statues, why would you want to immortalize a buncha losers?