23 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

i dont disagree, but the market can wait them out while they go broke...

Pretty much what I figure will happen. Service industry workers showing up are getting a nice pay bump. Those on the sidelines will run out of reserves soon enough and will have to actually work for a living.

I have little sympathy.

1 hour ago, Dave Moss said:

You want workers?  Pay them more.  I guarantee you’ll get more job applications.

You want more money? Get more marketable skills. I guarantee you’ll get paid more.

1 hour ago, Toastrel said:

I wonder about people like TEW and TJ who look down upon the rest of humanity with such abject disgust.

Are you really such shallow, weak people?

I don’t look down on people with disgust merely for working in low paying jobs. I’ve worked plenty of them myself. Met plenty of good people in the service industry. I have disgust for them when they feel entitled to money by their mere existence.

You want more money? Go do something someone is willing to pay you more to do. It’s really that simple. Even dumb people can make a decent living working a crap job. You can drive trucks or deliver packages and make 6 figures. You can learn a trade and make 6 figures. Lots of ways to earn a "living wage” through sheer hustle and grind. Will the job suck? Sure it might — that’s why you get paid what you do for doing a relatively low skilled job.

But people don’t want to do that anymore. Their desire to earn more money ends where their value proposition to the person paying them begins. That’s fine if they’re content with it, but don’t then go whining about getting paid more.

I admire anybody who works full time and tries to better themselves......or even people who live simply because that's all they want and need.  Or Part time workers who go to school or are studying for a certification or anything that makes them more marketable.

But people who constantly moan and groan about not having enough, complaining about the people who have more, expecting government handouts, and are generally irresponsible with the money they do have, I really don't want to listen to their problems, but I've always been willing to help them if they change their perspective and attitude.

Is trying to better yourself or make more money easy?  Hell no.....sometimes it involves working 60-80 hours a week working or studying, working 2nd and 3rd shifts, cutting spending to the bone and putting whatever you can in savings.  Sometimes seeing the fruits of your labor may take 10-15 years, that's why they're called goals.

It's amazing to me that some people think people should simply be paid more regardless of position or skill level.  Supply and demand still applies to the labor market.  Being paid a "living wage" requires someone to have "marketable skills"...it's not much different than requiring someone to have a degree as a first qualification.

I don't have a degree and I had to work 3rd shift and work during the day......50-60 hours a week for 10+years......while my wife worked and we were raising 9 kids.  Trying to save on child care and pay all the bills.  Yeah, it was f------- hard......but we made it work, and we succeeded in ways we couldn't imagine then.

So, I can't sympathize with people who complain about it being hard or look for handouts.  Whatever their problem is, there is a solution that works....but they also have to have the gumption to find a solution....

24 minutes ago, birdman#12 said:

I admire anybody who works full time and tries to better themselves......or even people who live simply because that's all they want and need.  Or Part time workers who go to school or are studying for a certification or anything that makes them more marketable.

But people who constantly moan and groan about not having enough, complaining about the people who have more, expecting government handouts, and are generally irresponsible with the money they do have, I really don't want to listen to their problems, but I've always been willing to help them if they change their perspective and attitude.

Is trying to better yourself or make more money easy?  Hell no.....sometimes it involves working 60-80 hours a week working or studying, working 2nd and 3rd shifts, cutting spending to the bone and putting whatever you can in savings.  Sometimes seeing the fruits of your labor may take 10-15 years, that's why they're called goals.

It's amazing to me that some people think people should simply be paid more regardless of position or skill level.  Supply and demand still applies to the labor market.  Being paid a "living wage" requires someone to have "marketable skills"...it's not much different than requiring someone to have a degree as a first qualification.

I don't have a degree and I had to work 3rd shift and work during the day......50-60 hours a week for 10+years......while my wife worked and we were raising 9 kids.  Trying to save on child care and pay all the bills.  Yeah, it was f------- hard......but we made it work, and we succeeded in ways we couldn't imagine then.

So, I can't sympathize with people who complain about it being hard or look for handouts.  Whatever their problem is, there is a solution that works....but they also have to have the gumption to find a solution....

It is the way the world works. Supply and demand. Half of my friends have kids working in the service industry. The horror stories of what they deal with on a day to day basis would make me not want to serve you a coffee while the customer spits, rants or even gets violent.

 

If people DEMAND service they are going to have to deal with the fact that COVID made a lot of people change their minds about a crap job being worth it. So companies will either have to pay service people more, or find a way to do with less people.

 

Which usually equates to poor service, or worse, self-service where I am forced to do the job as part of buying the damned thing. Airline stewards, baristas, fast food employees are not willing to risk their lives, to be **** upon by rude d-bags. I can't say I blame them.

People looking for handouts are another matter. I think we need to fire every other civil servant in government and replace them with people who want unemployment. They can't possibly, on average, do worse than the filth currently holding the position.

Right now, business is the one needing to find the gumption to lure employees to jobs no one currently seems to want.

16 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

It is the way the world works. Supply and demand. Half of my friends have kids working in the service industry. The horror stories of what they deal with on a day to day basis would make me not want to serve you a coffee while the customer spits, rants or even gets violent.

 

If people DEMAND service they are going to have to deal with the fact that COVID made a lot of people change their minds about a crap job being worth it. So companies will either have to pay service people more, or find a way to do with less people.

 

Which usually equates to poor service, or worse, self-service where I am forced to do the job as part of buying the damned thing. Airline stewards, baristas, fast food employees are not willing to risk their lives, to be **** upon by rude d-bags. I can't say I blame them.

People looking for handouts are another matter. I think we need to fire every other civil servant in government and replace them with people who want unemployment. They can't possibly, on average, do worse than the filth currently holding the position.

Right now, business is the one needing to find the gumption to lure employees to jobs no one currently seems  want.

I can't blame them either.....Service industry people have always had to deal with a ton of a-- holes.....no question. And I think those companies need to re-think the "customer always comes first" policy.....if a customer gets insulting, disrespectful or violent, then they need to be able to either not serve them or throw them out....or both.

One problem is that the service industries have a pretty low profit margin and raising pay or benefits will require a raise in prices which could cause a drop in customers......There are some things that service businesses could do to entice new employees......I've heard of all kinds of things......but it's been slow to be implemented.

7 minutes ago, birdman#12 said:

I can't blame them either.....Service industry people have always had to deal with a ton of a-- holes.....no question. And I think those companies need to re-think the "customer always comes first" policy.....if a customer gets insulting, disrespectful or violent, then they need to be able to either not serve them or throw them out....or both.

One problem is that the service industries have a pretty low profit margin and raising pay or benefits will require a raise in prices which could cause a drop in customers......There are some things that service businesses could do to entice new employees......I've heard of all kinds of things......but it's been slow to be implemented.

damned pandemic.

What a dose. More growing pains.

10 hours ago, MidMoFo said:

Why do you people have such a tough time understanding that oil and gas are a global commodity?

https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/

 

1 hour ago, Toastrel said:

Why do you people have such a tough time understanding that oil and gas are a global commodity?

https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/

 

I get it. Neither Bush nor Biden are/were spinning the price roladex at the pump.
 

Had a conversation over the weekend with some trumpers who were crying about gas prices and Biden ruining the country. Going into a discussion about global price commodities with them wasn’t going to accomplish anything, so I reminded them of prices under Bush. Not surprisingly… that conversation didn’t accomplish anything either… but here’s a meme.

Rhetorical question

How long can the press holdout before mainstream reporting of the Carter era "misery index" becomes a drum beat?

44 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

Rhetorical question

How long can the press holdout before mainstream reporting of the Carter era "misery index" becomes a drum beat?

Longer than you can go without drinking?

55 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

Rhetorical question

How long can the press holdout before mainstream reporting of the Carter era "misery index" becomes a drum beat?

sorry to disappoint you, but we're nowhere close.

 

you need a stagnant economy - which I guess you're rooting for - to get to Carter territory. 

we're not in a recession. unemployment is not very high right now, and it's trending down each month. 

wage growth is up significantly over pre-pandemic values. GDP is also returning to where it would have expected to be:

 

the only major economic issue right now relates to supply chain issues. consumers have money and are demanding goods and services at historic highs, the issue is getting those goods and services to the consumers. this is almost entirely pandemic related, and global in nature. 

 

10 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

sorry to disappoint you, but we're nowhere close.

 

you need a stagnant economy - which I guess you're rooting for - to get to Carter territory. 

we're not in a recession. unemployment is not very high right now, and it's trending down each month. 

wage growth is up significantly over pre-pandemic values. GDP is also returning to where it would have expected to be:

 

the only major economic issue right now relates to supply chain issues. consumers have money and are demanding goods and services at historic highs, the issue is getting those goods and services to the consumers. this is almost entirely pandemic related, and global in nature. 

 

And yet, for cultists like Lynched, things are worse than ever.

 

3 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

sorry to disappoint you, but we're nowhere close.

 

you need a stagnant economy - which I guess you're rooting for - to get to Carter territory. 

we're not in a recession. unemployment is not very high right now, and it's trending down each month. 

wage growth is up significantly over pre-pandemic values. GDP is also returning to where it would have expected to be:

 

the only major economic issue right now relates to supply chain issues. consumers have money and are demanding goods and services at historic highs, the issue is getting those goods and services to the consumers. this is almost entirely pandemic related, and global in nature. 

 

Overplaying the pandemic on the supply chain at this point. Most of the supply chain issues are more related to poor policy handling the kung flu. 

 

3 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

Overplaying the pandemic on the supply chain at this point. Most of the supply chain issues are more related to poor policy handling the kung flu. 

even if that were true, which it isn't, which president's poor handling of COVID might have caused that?

1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

even if that were true, which it isn't, which president's poor handling of COVID might have caused that?

It is true. You believe one has done better than the other? 

Interesting

3 hours ago, VanHammersly said:

And yet, for cultists like Lynched, things are worse than ever.

I plan ahead better than most.

 

Just now, lynched1 said:

It is true. You believe one has done better than the other? 

Interesting

uh, yeah, one absolutely did better than the other. 

but again, if it had to do with one particular nation's policy on COVID, you would not see supply chain issues being a global issue.

they are.

it has everything to do with the pandemic interrupting supply chains everywhere.

what we have in the US is a healthy and robust economy, shrinking unemployment, a hot job market where workers have leverage to demand higher wages. yeah, the supply chain issues are causing price inflation as demand is outstripping supply, but that's really the only thing you haters can hang your hat on.

maybe you should stop cheering for economic collapse and get on Team Brandon.

Just now, lynched1 said:

I plan ahead better than most.

 

6 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

uh, yeah, one absolutely did better than the other. 

but again, if it had to do with one particular nation's policy on COVID, you would not see supply chain issues being a global issue.

they are.

it has everything to do with the pandemic interrupting supply chains everywhere.

what we have in the US is a healthy and robust economy, shrinking unemployment, a hot job market where workers have leverage to demand higher wages. yeah, the supply chain issues are causing price inflation as demand is outstripping supply, but that's really the only thing you haters can hang your hat on.

maybe you should stop cheering for economic collapse and get on Team Brandon.

Team Brandon? 😂😂😂

Shrinking unemployment yet more unemployed. Interesting point of conflict. 

On top of that the federal government will print another 4 trillion dollars backed by hopes and dreams.

I dont have to pray for a collapse. Its policy.

3 minutes ago, Toty said:

Did you plan for me calling you a fart-face?

I bet you didn't see that coming.

Its you. Of course I did.

4 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

Shrinking unemployment yet more unemployed. Interesting point of conflict. 

false. and even the lower than expected numbers from September were revised up significantly in the most recent (both August and September received robust revisions).

sorry man, all signs are pointing to the Biden Express pulling away from the station. better get on board or get left behind.

12 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

false. and even the lower than expected numbers from September were revised up significantly in the most recent (both August and September received robust revisions).

sorry man, all signs are pointing to the Biden Express pulling away from the station. better get on board or get left behind.

Im going sit right where Im at. I gotta good view where I can see the bodies bounce. Everything succumbs to gravity.

4 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

Im going sit right where Im at. I gotta good view where I can see the bodies bounce. Everything succumbs to gravity.

Good. Anything that keep your disgusting drunk ass from behind the wheel of a motor vehicle is a good thing, you pathetic, reckless, drunk idiot.

22 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

false. and even the lower than expected numbers from September were revised up significantly in the most recent (both August and September received robust revisions).

sorry man, all signs are pointing to the Biden Express pulling away from the station. better get on board or get left behind.

Laughable