November 17, 20213 yr 15 minutes ago, MidMoFo said: Yeah, when the people in power have no respect for human life, and money and power are their true motivation… death, destruction, greed and population control will remain the result. Eventually, we should realize we are all stuck on the same round planet, and we can’t take our riches with us when we die. You know… that whole Christian belief thing republicans have cornered through propaganda. Won’t happen in our lifetimes, hopefully we don’t destroy the planet before then. So many naive and self serving lies in there to unpack. But im tired and the sixers suck so i am going to sleep.
November 17, 20213 yr 7 hours ago, ToastJenkins said: Nah we need old people to die off not young ones. war is not desirable. Its just where this economic foolishness leads eventually. I love how you always show your true colors.
November 17, 20213 yr 11 hours ago, lynched1 said: Tuned up again today aren't you. Don't bogart that joint you Fing addict. I don't smoke.
November 17, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, Toastrel said: I love how you always show your true colors. Utilitarian colors? Always shown those with no reservations
November 17, 20213 yr 9 hours ago, MidMoFo said: So what was your three letter word that history offers us as a solution? He was trying to tell you he’s gay
November 17, 20213 yr 1 minute ago, 20dawk4life said: He was trying to tell you he’s gay Hey that was just between us
November 17, 20213 yr Quote The jump in gas prices comes as West Texas Intermediate crude futures, the U.S. oil benchmark, hit a seven year high above $85 in October. The blistering rally comes after the contract dipped into negative territory in April 2020 for the first time on record as the pandemic sapped demand for petroleum products. OPEC+ made the unprecedented decision in April 2020 to remove nearly 10 million barrels per day from the market in an effort to support prices, while U.S. producers also scaled back production. These supply cuts, coupled with a demand recovery, have pushed oil prices to levels last seen well before the pandemic took hold. The American Petroleum Institute called Wednesday’s letter to the FTC a "distraction from the fundamental market shift” that’s ongoing as economics emerge from the pandemic. The industry group said in a statement that "ill-advised government decisions” are "exacerbating this challenging situation.” "Rather than launching investigations on markets that are regulated and closely monitored on a daily basis or pleading with OPEC to increase supply, we should be encouraging the safe and responsible development of American-made oil and natural gas,” said Frank Macchiarola, API’s senior vice president of policy, economics and regulatory affairs. Long story short, people not driving hurt the oil industry last year. They had to slow production. Now they are trying to make up lost sales. Predictably, their answer is that if only they were allowed to drill more, this would solve the problem. Except that isn't the problem at all, is it? In fact, I see today the government is looking to give out more leases and such. This will not help the price at the pump any time soon, will it?
November 17, 20213 yr 13 hours ago, MidMoFo said: Yeah, when the people in power have no respect for human life, and money and power are their true motivation… death, destruction, greed and population control will remain the result. Eventually, we should realize we are all stuck on the same round planet, and we can’t take our riches with us when we die. You know… that whole Christian belief thing republicans have cornered through propaganda. Won’t happen in our lifetimes, hopefully we don’t destroy the planet before then. Historically, these types of events first resolve in civil war. Russia, Spain, France, etc. It's usually not the people in power having no respect for human life. It's usually the revolutionaries who go that route.
November 17, 20213 yr 53 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Long story short, people not driving hurt the oil industry last year. They had to slow production. Now they are trying to make up lost sales. Predictably, their answer is that if only they were allowed to drill more, this would solve the problem. Except that isn't the problem at all, is it? In fact, I see today the government is looking to give out more leases and such. This will not help the price at the pump any time soon, will it? It's a big part of the problem. The US is the marginal producer. We are the ones who fill in the gap. If you prevent new production (through various mechanisms ranging from financing to regulation) then the market will bid up prices. The idea that this is some plan to "make up lost sales" has no basis in reality.
November 17, 20213 yr Just now, TEW said: It's a big part of the problem. The US is the marginal producer. We are the ones who fill in the gap. If you prevent new production (through various mechanisms ranging from financing to regulation) then the market will bid up prices. The idea that this is some plan to "make up lost sales" has no basis in reality. Sure, OPEC cutting production, and US plants shutting down due to decreased demand during COVID have no bearing on the issue. None of that is done to affect prices. Thanks Dr. DumbF
November 17, 20213 yr Production is only a part of the equation. Another part is the transportation costs. When you're forcing the oil companies to source more of it from the other side of the world, you're increasing the transportation costs. When you're killing pipelines, forcing shipments by road or by rail, you're increasing transportation costs. All of that drives up the price at the pump.
November 17, 20213 yr 5 minutes ago, The_Omega said: Production is only a part of the equation. Another part is the transportation costs. When you're forcing the oil companies to source more of it from the other side of the world, you're increasing the transportation costs. When you're killing pipelines, forcing shipments by road or by rail, you're increasing transportation costs. All of that drives up the price at the pump. That is why gas prices in other countries are higher, right? I know all of you fine people bought land and built your homes next to pipe lines, right? They are safe. Right?
November 17, 20213 yr 1 minute ago, Toastrel said: That is why gas prices in other countries are higher, right? I know all of you fine people bought land and built your homes next to pipe lines, right? They are safe. Right? They are safer than road and rail.
November 17, 20213 yr 4 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Sure, OPEC cutting production, and US plants shutting down due to decreased demand during COVID have no bearing on the issue. None of that is done to affect prices. Thanks Dr. DumbF The issue isn't that production slowed during lockdowns to meet the lack of demand. The issue is ramping back up now that the demand is there. The idea that "now they are trying to make up for lost sales" and "[drill more] isn't the problem" is stupendously ignorant. I don't feel like going through this, but feel free to look back in this thread at Vikas' post on the subject. This is a marginal producer issue being hampered by regulation and funding.
November 17, 20213 yr 11 minutes ago, TEW said: The issue isn't that production slowed during lockdowns to meet the lack of demand. The issue is ramping back up now that the demand is there. The idea that "now they are trying to make up for lost sales" and "[drill more] isn't the problem" is stupendously ignorant. I don't feel like going through this, but feel free to look back in this thread at Vikas' post on the subject. This is a marginal producer issue being hampered by regulation and funding. Yes, the idea that after global oil hit a negative value last year has zero impact on OPEC's decision to limit production in order to bump the price up. What the hell was I thinking?
November 17, 20213 yr 2 hours ago, The_Omega said: Production is only a part of the equation. Another part is the transportation costs. When you're forcing the oil companies to source more of it from the other side of the world, you're increasing the transportation costs. When you're killing pipelines, forcing shipments by road or by rail, you're increasing transportation costs. All of that drives up the price at the pump. I know you're still butthurt over Keystone XL but it had absolutely zero to do with the price of gas in 2021.
November 17, 20213 yr 6 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: I know you're still butthurt over Keystone XL but it had absolutely zero to do with the price of gas in 2021. Of course it does, it all does. It is baked into the futures pricing. Now tell some more easily refutable lies.
November 17, 20213 yr 2 hours ago, TEW said: The issue isn't that production slowed during lockdowns to meet the lack of demand. The issue is ramping back up now that the demand is there. The idea that "now they are trying to make up for lost sales" and "[drill more] isn't the problem" is stupendously ignorant. I don't feel like going through this, but feel free to look back in this thread at Vikas' post on the subject. This is a marginal producer issue being hampered by regulation and funding. I agree with a lot of this, but we produce like 20% of the world's oil. most of it is consumed domestically. we're not a "marginal producer". the issue definitely is ramping back up, because a number of refineries were shut down. that's absolutely true. and between the investment incentives for green vs fossil fuels and the regulations to build new refineries, there are certainly some artificial blockers in opening it up more. though that's by design, of course, as part of an effort to encourage the move to new energy sources. whether that's good or bad policy is up to the priorities of the individual I suppose, but that's why it's the way it is. the good news is that we actually opened up a number of new refineries in the last 10 years. five new refineries in Texas have been built since 2014. prior to that we had 3 built in the 90s and 2 in the 80s - that was it. kind of funny that it was during the Obama administration that we almost doubled our domestic oil production (shale or not it happened during his administration) and saw the opening of the first new refineries this century.
November 17, 20213 yr 1 minute ago, The_Omega said: Of course it does, it all does. It is baked into the futures pricing. Now tell some more easily refutable lies. yeah, you sure refuted me. tell me more about how a pipeline that was nowhere near completion affects gas prices in 2021.
November 17, 20213 yr 1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said: I agree with a lot of this, but we produce like 20% of the world's oil. most of it is consumed domestically. we're not a "marginal producer". the issue definitely is ramping back up, because a number of refineries were shut down. that's absolutely true. and between the investment incentives for green vs fossil fuels and the regulations to build new refineries, there are certainly some artificial blockers in opening it up more. though that's by design, of course, as part of an effort to encourage the move to new energy sources. whether that's good or bad policy is up to the priorities of the individual I suppose, but that's why it's the way it is. the good news is that we actually opened up a number of new refineries in the last 10 years. five new refineries in Texas have been built since 2014. prior to that we had 3 built in the 90s and 2 in the 80s - that was it. kind of funny that it was during the Obama administration that we almost doubled our domestic oil production (shale or not it happened during his administration) and saw the opening of the first new refineries this century. That's exactly what we are. Our production is more expensive than the Saudi's. We ramp up more as prices increase. We are literally a marginal producer.
November 17, 20213 yr 5 minutes ago, TEW said: That's exactly what we are. Our production is more expensive than the Saudi's. We ramp up more as prices increase. We are literally a marginal producer. define "marginal producer" to me it would mean our production would be a fraction on the edges of our needs, and that most of our oil needs would be met by imports. that's just not true. and whether or not we export that oil, if we were to reduce our domestic production it would have huge impacts on the price of oil globally because our demand would presumably remain steady, forcing more imports. I may be misinterpreting what you mean by "marginal producer", but I don't see how you can call the country that quite literally produces more oil than any other country in the world is "marginal".
November 17, 20213 yr 3 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: define "marginal producer" to me it would mean our production would be a fraction on the edges of our needs, and that most of our oil needs would be met by imports. that's just not true. and whether or not we export that oil, if we were to reduce our domestic production it would have huge impacts on the price of oil globally because our demand would presumably remain steady, forcing more imports. I may be misinterpreting what you mean by "marginal producer", but I don't see how you can call the country that quite literally produces more oil than any other country in the world is "marginal". Quote a company, country, etc. that produces a small amount of a product or crop with high production costs and little or no profit: Political uncertainty in some of the world's largest energy-exporting states gives new importance to the so-called marginal producers. In theory, prices in competitive markets will be set by the marginal costs of production of the marginal producers. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/marginal-producer Literally the dictionary definition. Our production costs are higher, so as oil prices rise, we meet that demand making us the marginal producer. Oil is a fungible commodity, so it really doesn't matter if it's consumed domestically.
November 17, 20213 yr 3 minutes ago, TEW said: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/marginal-producer Literally the dictionary definition. Our production costs are higher, so as oil prices rise, we meet that demand making us the marginal producer. Oil is a fungible commodity, so it really doesn't matter if it's consumed domestically. Literally full of crap. Quote The United States is one of the largest crude oil producers. The United States became the world's top crude oil producer in 2018 and maintained the lead position in 2019 and 2020. U.S. oil refineries obtain crude oil produced in the United States and in other countries. Different types of companies supply crude oil to the world market.
November 17, 20213 yr 19 minutes ago, TEW said: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/marginal-producer Literally the dictionary definition. Our production costs are higher, so as oil prices rise, we meet that demand making us the marginal producer. Oil is a fungible commodity, so it really doesn't matter if it's consumed domestically. ok. so we're a "small producer" of oil, despite the fact that we produce more than any other nation in the world? that's your contention?
November 17, 20213 yr 3 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: ok. so we're a "small producer" of oil, despite the fact that we produce more than any other nation in the world? that's your contention? Keep reading. It's about production costs, like I said.
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