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1 minute ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Fire up the coal plants Germany 

 

 

Being in the path of the Chernobyl fallout likely has much to do with their opinion on nuclear energy.

23 hours ago, Toastrel said:

Being in the path of the Chernobyl fallout likely has much to do with their opinion on nuclear energy.

They were hardly affected and I doubt that’s the reason. 

Things cost more.

On 12/30/2021 at 12:02 PM, 20dawk4life said:

They were hardly affected and I doubt that’s the reason. 

It is still detectable in mushrooms, etc, and Germany, like most of Europe, has had huge cancer spikes in certain cancers since the incident.

1 minute ago, Toastrel said:

It is still detectable in mushrooms, etc, and Germany, like most of Europe, has had huge cancer spikes in certain cancers since the incident.

Yes .01 percent increase. You’re wrong. 

The problem with nuclear energy isn't the pollution.  It's what to do with nuclear waste.  I haven't read up on what's going on in Germany so I don't know what prompted this decision though.

Germany shuts down half of its 6 remaining nuclear plants - ABC News (go.com)

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Environment Minister Steffi Lemke has dismissed suggestions that a new generation of nuclear power plants might prompt Germany to change course yet again.

"Nuclear power plants remain high-risk facilities that produce highly radioactive atomic waste,” she told the Funke media group this week.

A final decision has yet to be taken about where to store the most potent nuclear waste produced in German power plants. Experts say some material will remain dangerously radioactive for 35,000 generations.

 

 

5 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

The problem with nuclear energy isn't the pollution.  It's what to do with nuclear waste.  I haven't read up on what's going on in Germany so I don't know what prompted this decision though.

I thought the newest, most modern designs generate a lot less waste and the waste they do make can be reused? 

4 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

I thought the newest, most modern designs generate a lot less waste and the waste they do make can be reused? 

It's possible.  I'm not really sure.  They're shuttering older plants now.  What was interesting to me in that ABC New article Germany shuts down half of its 6 remaining nuclear plants - ABC News (go.com) is that France is building new nuclear plants while Germany is shutting its old ones down.   

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Several of Germany's neighbors have already ended nuclear power or announced plans to do so, but others are sticking with the technology. This has prompted concerns of a nuclear rift in Europe, with France planning to build new reactors and Germany opting for natural gas as a "bridge” until enough renewable power is available, and both sides arguing their preferred source of energy be classed as sustainable.

Germany's remaining three nuclear plants — Emsland, Isar and Neckarwestheim — will be powered down by the end of 2022.

 

 

Just now, Dave Moss said:

It's possible.  I'm not really sure.  They're shuttering older plants now.  What was interesting to me in that ABC New article Germany shuts down half of its 6 remaining nuclear plants - ABC News (go.com) is that France is building new nuclear plants while Germany is shutting its old ones down.   

I can remember reading a lot about modern designs 5 to 10 years ago. Cleaner, much safer, etc. I really though we would see them pop up a lot more as older model were decommissioned. I assume the accidents we have experienced over recent decades and the really bad press from those accidents has made it a lot more difficult to build them.

Just now, Boogyman said:

I can remember reading a lot about modern designs 5 to 10 years ago. Cleaner, much safer, etc. I really though we would see them pop up a lot more as older model were decommissioned. I assume the accidents we have experienced over recent decades and the really bad press from those accidents has made it a lot more difficult to build them.

Are there new plants being built in the U.S.?  I really haven't been paying attention.  Having lived in Texas recently I was surprised at the number of windmills in the middle/western part of the state and also surprised by the number of solar power sites in North Carolina (where I live now).  NC is one of the leaders in solar power though.  

3 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Are there new plants being built in the U.S.?  I really haven't been paying attention.  Having lived in Texas recently I was surprised at the number of windmills in the middle/western part of the state and also surprised by the number of solar power sites in North Carolina (where I live now).  NC is one of the leaders in solar power though.  

I honestly don't follow it much these days. I would guess other renewable are being pushed in nuclears place.

On 12/28/2021 at 8:41 AM, Toastrel said:

https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/charts/58363/food-prices_fig07_450px.png?v=7840.5

Why it is almost as if prices of food just keep going up every year.

 

Wow wow wow

Well if toasty posts a graph, we can't trust what we actually see at the supermarket, can we???

(Incidentally, the graph omits 2021 and does not account for population increases  which, you guessed it, increases total food expenditures).

It's not inflation due to unfathomable spending by the federal government, it's just the meat processing industry's greed, guys! That's OK, Biden is going to fix it. 

:lol: 

20 minutes ago, Kz! said:

It's not inflation due to unfathomable spending by the federal government, it's just the meat processing industry's greed, guys! That's OK, Biden is going to fix it. 

:lol: 

Anyone get the latest update from Munson on the price of chicken?

On 12/28/2021 at 9:41 AM, Toastrel said:

https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/charts/58363/food-prices_fig07_450px.png?v=7840.5

Why it is almost as if prices of food just keep going up every year.

 

Wow wow wow

I remember soda and bag of chips for $1 at the vending machine.  And the bag of chips...was FULL!!!

Just came back from Publix.  Shelves were half empty.  Never saw that except during the panic before a storm.  Clerk told me that it's going to stay that way.

One helluva administration we have there.  Gotta hand it to those that voted for mush brains - so much better to starve than having to look at orange hair or read mean tweets. 

1 minute ago, Procus said:

Just came back from Publix.  Shelves were half empty.  Never saw that except during the panic before a storm.  Clerk told me that it's going to stay that way.

One helluva administration we have there.  Gotta hand it to those that voted for mush brains - so much better to starve than having to look at orange hair or read mean tweets. 

I have not gone into any grocery store with shortages.  Been in stores in Washington, Idaho and Oregon.  I keep hearing about it, have yet to see it.

18 minutes ago, Procus said:

Gotta hand it to those that voted for mush brains - so much better to starve than having to look at orange hair or read mean tweets. 

 

Ignoring the hyperbole, I would gladly take braindead over psychotic any day.

 

On 12/28/2021 at 8:41 AM, Toastrel said:

https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/charts/58363/food-prices_fig07_450px.png?v=7840.5

Why it is almost as if prices of food just keep going up every year.

 

Wow wow wow

 

On 1/3/2022 at 2:28 PM, Procus said:

Well if toasty posts a graph, we can't trust what we actually see at the supermarket, can we???

(Incidentally, the graph omits 2021 and does not account for population increases  which, you guessed it, increases total food expenditures).

I'm not sure that population growth really makes that much of a difference in this graph. Population growth in the US was 83% over the time range indicated, whereas food expenditures grew by between 1700 and 3400% (I don't have the exact numbers, so this is an estimation, but I"d put the actual value at closest to about 2750% increase). So, population growth accounts for about 3 percent of the growth in expenditures. The other 97% comes from other factors like price growth over that time period.

10 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Ignoring the hyperbole, I would gladly take braindead over psychotic any day.

I'm sure you would, but in doing so, aside from outward appearances, you really don't know why.

Who would you rather having coaching the Eagles, a real nasty **** who gets the job done, or a senile old coot who seems nice enough but coaches the team to an 0-16 record?

8 minutes ago, NothingClever said:

I'm not sure that population growth really makes that much of a difference in this graph. Population growth in the US was 83% over the time range indicated, whereas food expenditures grew by between 1700 and 3400% (I don't have the exact numbers, so this is an estimation, but I"d put the actual value at closest to about 2750% increase). So, population growth accounts for about 3 percent of the growth in expenditures. The other 97% comes from other factors like price growth over that time period.

No doubt that inflation is a major factor - but when the population nearly doubles during the time period in the graph, it stands to reason that food expenditures unadjusted for inflation would also nearly double.

If $1 in 1960 would be worth around $9 in 2020 (a 900% increase), and if there are twice as many people today in the U.S. than there were in 1960, total food expenditures would be 18 times as many dollars as they would have been in 1960.  Consider that many more people eat out today than in 1960 when you had stay at home wives and moms, and that pretty much explains the graph.

https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1960?endYear=2020&amount=1

43 minutes ago, Procus said:

No doubt that inflation is a major factor - but when the population nearly doubles during the time period in the graph, it stands to reason that food expenditures unadjusted for inflation would also nearly double.

If $1 in 1960 would be worth around $9 in 2020 (a 900% increase), and if there are twice as many people today in the U.S. than there were in 1960, total food expenditures would be 18 times as many dollars as they would have been in 1960.  Consider that many more people eat out today than in 1960 when you had stay at home wives and moms, and that pretty much explains the graph.

https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1960?endYear=2020&amount=1

Inflation is not A major factor, it is THE major factor. Meanwhile the implication of my statement that 97% of the growth was from other factors "like” price growth was that, while inflation was the most significant factor, changes in peoples’ preferences for mode of dining shared some of the responsibility.

Additionally my statement that population grew by 83% was an indicator that my expectation was that the real dollar value of expenditures would be expected to rise by 83% solely based on population growth. 

Also, prices going from $1 in 1960 to $9 in 2020 is not a 900% increase. It is an 800% increase.

But thanks for explaining that graph to me… 

11 hours ago, Procus said:

Who would you rather having coaching the Eagles, a real nasty **** who gets the job done, or a senile old coot who seems nice enough but coaches the team to an 0-16 record?

 

What job did Trump get done exactly?

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