May 12, 20223 yr 19 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: so.. Trump basically prohibited consideration of ESG factors ... Biden .. rolled that back so that investors can choose to do so. No, they have repeatedly issued new guidelines requiring adherence to their onerous ESG policies. We've posted the articles about it here which, conveniently, you seem to have ignored. These have not been suggestions.
May 12, 20223 yr 29 minutes ago, The_Omega said: No, they have repeatedly issued new guidelines requiring adherence to their onerous ESG policies. We've posted the articles about it here which, conveniently, you seem to have ignored. These have not been suggestions. I'm like 95% this is inaccurate. Private funding groups can choose to adhere to ESG guidelines. I think the only thing that might be required is some sort of legal transparency/disclosure as to what guidelines they are following. But I've heard second hand from people in the business down here that even that doesn't always happen. Whether they've enacted parts or the whole of the ESG framework is up to them.
May 12, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: I need to book tickets out west for the family soon. I'm not looking forward to the prices. No need to fly. Get one of these babys and take the whole tribe cross country.
May 12, 20223 yr What’s behind the baby formula shortage? https://apnews.com/article/baby-formula-shortage-what-to-know-735cef06e68ed9c5a46233bdfcf0573d Quote in February, Abbott Nutrition recalled several major brands of powdered formula and shut down its Sturgis, Michigan, factory when federal officials began investigating four babies who suffered bacterial infections after consuming formula from the facility. Cut corners, skimp on sanitization, and you get recalls.
May 13, 20223 yr On 5/12/2022 at 3:52 PM, we_gotta_believe said: The same exact tix we booked to Florida have gone up $200 per ticket in less than 3 months. It's pretty nuts right now. Please tell me you're headed to Orlando or the West Coast.
May 13, 20223 yr On 5/12/2022 at 4:43 PM, Toastrel said: What’s behind the baby formula shortage? https://apnews.com/article/baby-formula-shortage-what-to-know-735cef06e68ed9c5a46233bdfcf0573d Cut corners, skimp on sanitization, and you get recalls. Wrong. This was posted before. You ignored it then, you'll ignore it now. https://delauro.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/icymi-delauro-shares-whistleblower-report-contaminated-infant-formula Quote In September 2021, FDA learned of the potential link between a rare and deadly foodborne pathogen and powdered infant formula manufactured by Abbott Laboratories in a facility in Sturgis, Michigan. This week I received a 34-page report from a whistleblower, a former employee at the plant which produced the contaminated formula – which led to at least 4 hospitalizations and the deaths of at least 2 babies. The whistleblower report lays out a damning list of allegations of wrongdoing at this factory, including: Falsification of records relating to testing of seals, signing verifications without adequate knowledge, failure to maintain accurate maintenance records, shipping packages with fill weights lower than what was on the label, and more; Releasing untested infant formula; Hiding information during a 2019 FDA audit; Lax practices associated with clean in place procedures; Lack of traceability of the product; Failure to take corrective measures once the company knew their testing procedures were deficient; An atmosphere of retaliation against any employee who raised concerns about company practices. And these are just a few of the allegations laid out in the report. I want to remind everyone we are talking about infant formula. Parents trust that formula will be safe and healthy for their newborn babies – it should be the most regulated of any product. I am deeply concerned about the practices at this Abbott facility and their apparent failure to implement and enforce internal controls at this facility. We need to know exactly who in the company was aware of this failure and the alleged attempts to hide this information from the FDA. I am equally concerned that the FDA reacted far too slowly to this report. The report was submitted to the FDA on October 20, 2021. The FDA did not interview the whistleblower until late December 2021. According to news reports, FDA did not inspect the plant in person until January 31, 2022, and the recall was not issued until February 17, 2022. Why did the FDA not spring into action? Why did it take four months to pull this formula off store shelves? How many infants were fed contaminated formula during this time, by parents who trusted that the formula they were buying was safe? How many additional illnesses and deaths were there due to FDA’s slow response?
May 13, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, Procus said: Please tell me you're headed to Orlando or the West Coast. I'm coming to your house to confiscate all your stockpiled horse dewormer.
May 14, 20223 yr 4 hours ago, The_Omega said: Wrong. This was posted before. You ignored it then, you'll ignore it now. https://delauro.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/icymi-delauro-shares-whistleblower-report-contaminated-infant-formula How do you completely by-pass any accountability on the manufacturer? The article you quoted specifically bullet pointed the following negligence: Falsification of records relating to testing of seals, signing verifications without adequate knowledge, failure to maintain accurate maintenance records, shipping packages with fill weights lower than what was on the label, and more; Releasing untested infant formula; Hiding information during a 2019 FDA audit; Lax practices associated with clean in place procedures; Lack of traceability of the product; Failure to take corrective measures once the company knew their testing procedures were deficient; An atmosphere of retaliation against any employee who raised concerns about company practices. Instead of holding the manufacturer accountable… you can’t contain the hard-on you have for the FDA taking 4 months to take action. And you can expect more of this when you cheer for more deregulation.
May 14, 20223 yr 26 minutes ago, MidMoFo said: How do you completely by-pass any accountability on the manufacturer? The article you quoted specifically bullet pointed the following negligence: Falsification of records relating to testing of seals, signing verifications without adequate knowledge, failure to maintain accurate maintenance records, shipping packages with fill weights lower than what was on the label, and more; Releasing untested infant formula; Hiding information during a 2019 FDA audit; Lax practices associated with clean in place procedures; Lack of traceability of the product; Failure to take corrective measures once the company knew their testing procedures were deficient; An atmosphere of retaliation against any employee who raised concerns about company practices. Instead of holding the manufacturer accountable… you can’t contain the hard-on you have for the FDA taking 4 months to take action. And you can expect more of this when you cheer for more deregulation. It was the FDA’s job to hold the manufacture responsible. They didn’t. Had they it might not have gotten this far. We’ll never know.
May 14, 20223 yr 20 minutes ago, The_Omega said: It was the FDA’s job to hold the manufacture responsible. They didn’t. Had they it might not have gotten this far. We’ll never know. How do you not hold the manufacturer responsible? They knew they weren’t following the rules, and didn’t recall their own product in the name of profit. The republicans mantra is to deregulate business as much as possible. This scenario is why there are regulations. How can you continue to blame the FDA and not the manufacturer?
May 14, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, MidMoFo said: How can you continue to blame the FDA and not the manufacturer? You can blame both or either and still be correct.
May 14, 20223 yr 21 minutes ago, lynched1 said: You can blame both or either and still be correct. Sure. Blame both and I agree. Supporting deregulation and then blaming the FDA makes you a f-king moron though…
May 14, 20223 yr 41 minutes ago, MidMoFo said: Supporting deregulation and then blaming the FDA makes you a f-king moron though… Stop it. You're not even Fing qualified.
May 14, 20223 yr 7 hours ago, The_Omega said: It was the FDA’s job to hold the manufacture responsible. They didn’t. Had they it might not have gotten this far. We’ll never know. Sure, the manufacturer of BABY FORMULA has no quality control responsibility at all.
May 14, 20223 yr 14 hours ago, The_Omega said: Wrong No he's not wrong, you're just too stupid to avoid framing something as a false dichotomy like you always do.
May 14, 20223 yr 35 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Nationalize baby formula! All kidding aside, given the sensitive and precarious nature of the commodity, it might actually be a good idea to fund and build up a small stockpile of formula to help weather temporary shortages like this.
May 14, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: All kidding aside, given the sensitive and precautions nature of the commodity, it might actually be a good idea to fund and build up a small stockpile of formula to help weather temporary shortages like this.
May 14, 20223 yr The people who most complain about government overreach, are often the ones clamoring for MORE government involvement. I hate to tell you this - quality control during COVID was probably very poor everywhere. It didn't have to be, but laziness is cheap when you can get away with it.
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