The Alec Baldwin Shooting

[binkybink77]

Gee.. why should Hollywood be faced with scrutiny over their lack of proper gun safety now that another person has been killed onset of a movie with a firearm?  Anything else involving firearms faces scrutiny, but Hollywood working conditions should be exempt?  If nothing else you'd think it was an OSHA violation.

[binkybink77]

There was an opinion piece in the NY Post (which admittedly I believe HATES the Baldwins), but the quote was something like, if the script called for Alec to put the gun to his own head and pull the trigger don't you think he would have checked it himself first?  I'll have to find it... 

[Kz!]

13 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

Ah.  Right.  Listen, I know you shot your first moose at the age of 5 with Uncle Wally's rifle and he taught you the sacred way of the gun.  And then he molested you in the backwoods and it was the best day of your life.  Cool story bro'.

 

But I'd like to know where are all the Gina Carranos and John Voights tweeting their rage at Baldwin for being a lib who doesn't know guns on sets?  CRICKETS.  Yeah, because they are ALL guilty of doing that and they know it.  This circle jerk narrative of Alec Baldwin, the lib who is stupid at guns, is a silly fever dream for gun enthusiasts.  The real story is Alex Baldwin, the PRODUCER of a company that was cutting corners on safety standards.  I'll even give you Alec Baldwin the liberal snowflake who denounces guns but makes his money glamorizing them in cowboy movies only to kill somebody by the same type of accident he critiques.

 

But by all means , continue the circle jerk.  Uncle Wally would be proud.

 

I hope Baldwin fries for this. Death penalty. 

[binkybink77]

But guys, I really liked him in Beetlejuice, so if you're critical of him it's because you lick Trump's ass. 

https://nypost.com/2021/10/25/no-denying-alec-baldwins-role-in-shooting-mishap-tragedy

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The death of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins has also been painted as Alec Baldwin’s tragedy.

Really, it’s not. In fact, Alec Baldwin is likely to be held, at least in part, responsible.

"If you’re capable of memorizing 120 pages of dialogue, you can memorize four lines of gun safety,” special-effects and firearms expert Steve Wolf tells The Post.

”If that scene required him to put the gun to his head and pull the trigger, I’m sure he would have taken a look inside the gun. Wouldn’t you?”

As a producer on "Rust,” Baldwin could be held culpable for the cost-cutting, chaos and eventual hire of a young head armorer with just one stint in said job on her résumé — because, according to Deadline, multiple other armorers turned it down over low pay and high stakes, with too many firearms to manage.

"They hired someone who was insufficiently experienced,” Wolf says. "If he’s the producer, the buck stops with him.”

And as a veteran actor who has starred in multiple films involving firearms — "The Departed” and two installments of "Mission: Impossible” come to mind — you would think Baldwin would be extra cautious wielding a gun on set.

”Don’t point guns at people,” is the most elemental rule on sets, Wolf says.

”Don’t point guns at anything you don’t want to put a hole in.”

Retired FBI Agent Bobby Chacon, who works as a writer and consultant in Hollywood, agrees.

If fact, Chacon goes over the four basic rules of guns on sets so often that his actors roll their eyes. He takes this as a sign to keep going, because they’ve heard it all before, they know the rules, and still they listen:

1. Treat EVERY weapon as if it’s loaded, even if you’re told it isn’t.

2. NEVER point a gun at anything you’re not willing to kill or destroy.

3. Never put your finger on the trigger until you are ready to kill or destroy something.

4. Know where your target is and what’s behind it (where possible).

It’s often the bean counters, Chacon tells The Post, who prefer saving money over safety.

On one major network cop show, the line producer — the person responsible for the budget — "would nickel-and-dime me to no end,” Chacon says.

"They were very penny-wise and pound-foolish. Sometimes [they] would try to save my paltry daily fee on days when [actors] were just going have their guns out as opposed to using them.”

Chacon says he was paid $500 a day for this show that cost, "no kidding, $1,041 per minute to shoot.” Each episode was an eight-day production, so if an actor, writer or director had a question for Chacon and he wasn’t there, the 10-minute delay to get Chacon on the phone cost 20 times his day rate.

And Chacon had an experience not unlike what happened on "Rust.”

"I dug my heels in [about being there] on a particular day because the script called for our team to have their guns out and make an arrest,” Chacon recalls

"The line producer literally said something like, ‘We’ll be fine. Our first AD [assistant director] has done a ton of cop shows, so he can show them how to do the arrest.’ I walked away at that point.”

On the day Hutchins was fatally shot on the Santa Fe, NM, set of "Rust,” assistant director David Halls, not the head armorer, handed Baldwin the firearm and yelled, "Cold gun!” — meaning the gun was supposed to be empty, no blanks, nothing.

As for how live ammunition found its way on set, Wolf is speechless.

"It’s against all movie-making protocols,” he says.

This tragedy is not just down to cost-cutting measures or crew fatigue. Wolf says movie sets can be so intimidating, staffed with young crew members who are star-struck or cowed by a demanding director or just thrilled to be working in the industry, that most would never speak up.

"Rust” was a hasty 21-day shoot. Multiple reports say the crew felt dangerous compromises were being made.

"An old wiseass like me would say, ‘I’m not going to compromise safety,’ ” Wolf says, "but most people won’t say that because of fear they’ll be fired.”

Yet on "Rust,” we know seven crew members walked off set the morning Hutchins was killed — and they walked over safety concerns. During production, someone rang the alarm to the unit production manager, texting, "We’ve now had 3 accidental discharges. This is super unsafe.”

Wolf tells The Post that the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office has reached out to him about helping its investigation.

”Everything I find will probably point to negligence,” Wolf says. "Gross negligence, possibly criminal negligence. The armorer didn’t have the experience to command a set. You have a gun, a bullet, someone aiming it, and someone firing it. So it was inevitable if you bring together those ingredients.”

The question isn’t how this could have happened to Halyna Hutchins. The question really is: How could it not?

 

 

[dawkins4prez]

3 hours ago, Kz! said:

But you have? 

What films have you been in?

Just a couple porns where I BANGED YOUR MOM!!

 

[dawkins4prez]

24 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

Damn bro -  you're really triggered over Alec - you two related?

Has he done anything good since Glengarry?  His SnL Trump was annoying and awful.

[mr_hunt]

[dawkins4prez]

36 minutes ago, Kz! said:

 

I hope Baldwin fries for this. Death penalty. 

He won't even face a criminal charge numbskull.  But i do hope he gets sued through the ground and blacklisted as a producer.  i'll even lend you a pair of dancing shoes when it happens.

[TEW]

10 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

[mr_hunt]

tweet confirmed!    

[Dwide Schrude]

56 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

Ah.  Right.  Listen, I know you shot your first moose at the age of 5 with Uncle Wally's rifle and he taught you the sacred way of the gun.  And then he molested you in the backwoods and it was the best day of your life.  Cool story bro'.

 

But I'd like to know where are all the Gina Carranos and John Voights tweeting their rage at Baldwin for being a lib who doesn't know guns on sets?  CRICKETS.  Yeah, because they are ALL guilty of doing that and they know it.  This circle jerk narrative of Alec Baldwin, the lib who is stupid at guns, is a silly fever dream for gun enthusiasts.  The real story is Alex Baldwin, the PRODUCER of a company that was cutting corners on safety standards.  I'll even give you Alec Baldwin the liberal snowflake who denounces guns but makes his money glamorizing them in cowboy movies only to kill somebody by the same type of accident he critiques.

 

But by all means , continue the circle jerk.  Uncle Wally would be proud.

Well this conversation took a turn I wasn’t expecting. Everything ok at home man?

[Kz!]

29 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

Well this conversation took a turn I wasn’t expecting. Everything ok at home man?

That uncle molestation story was way too specific to be made up off the cuff. 

[binkybink77]

Well he is a Hollywood insider and we know what goes on in those circles. 

[The_Omega]

The 'everybody does it' defense?  Seriously?  We really are back in middle school.

[iladelphxx]

On 10/25/2021 at 5:48 PM, dawkins4prez said:

Pretty sure everybody pounding their chests on gun safety have never worked on an action movie where you are getting handed guns, NONE of which are supposed to be loaded, a dozen times over the course of the day while trying to do their job which is, you know, acting.  This is ALL on the person who's literal job is to handle those props while a million other things are happening simultaneously on set.

 

But don't worry Baldwin haters, he will get soaked for this on multiple levels, he's a producer for a movie that might not get finished and will be sued through every orifice.

 

 

[binkybink77]

Yeah but it’s common knowledge that Will Smith is just a redneck who was molested by his Uncle during his first moose hunting trip in West Philadelphia

[Shepard Wong]

7 hours ago, binkybink77 said:

Yeah but it’s common knowledge that Will Smith is just a redneck who was molested by his Uncle during his first moose hunting trip in West Philadelphia

Bad things happen in Cobb’s Creek.

[Kz!]

8 hours ago, binkybink77 said:

Yeah but it’s common knowledge that Will Smith is just a redneck who was molested by his Uncle during his first moose hunting trip in West Philadelphia

   

[iladelphxx]

 

 

 

 

[VaBeach_Eagle]

She never should have been in charge of the weapons, not without someone much more experienced watching over her. 

I read a story that (If true) said that they broke for lunch and she put the guns in a safe and only a few people had the combination to it (supposedly). So if they had blanks or dummy rounds in it before lunch and a live round (or two) wound up in it during lunch... who did it?

That doesn't really excuse everyone after lunch from re-checking the rounds, though. So I do expect that some charges will be filed. Against who, though? The Armorer and the AD, I think for sure. If they identify anyone that may have taken the gun for target practice during lunch, then them too. Baldwin? Possibly. But Baldwin the actor/shooter or Baldwin the producer (or both)?

If Baldwin the Producer was 'cutting corners' by hiring an overly inexperienced 24 year old to do the job of Armorer instead of paying more for a properly experienced person, then he would be very worthy of charges but I don't know if that would fall within the laws of New Mexico to actually charge him for that. 

I've already said that I believe that he was negligent as the person pulling the trigger, and his politics have nothing to do with that opinion. It could be John Wayne and if this happened, I'd believe that he was negligent, too. 

[mr_irie1]

A conspiracy theorist friend of mine told me this was no accident. He said that "the woman that was killed was the wife of the attorney representing Michael Sussman in a case involving the Clinton Foundation and the Durham Report."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[iladelphxx]

5 hours ago, mr_irie1 said:

A conspiracy theorist friend of mine told me this was no accident. He said that "the woman that was killed was the wife of the attorney representing Michael Sussman in a case involving the Clinton Foundation and the Durham Report."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He is..... But I doubt Alec Baldwin is the Manchurian Candidate 

[iladelphxx]

5 hours ago, mr_irie1 said:

A conspiracy theorist friend of mine told me this was no accident. He said that "the woman that was killed was the wife of the attorney representing Michael Sussman in a case involving the Clinton Foundation and the Durham Report."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.reuters.com/legal/legalindustry/alec-baldwin-shooting-victim-was-wife-latham-watkins-lawyer-2021-10-22/

https://time.com/6099018/john-durham-indicts-lawyer/

 

[Kz!]

On 10/28/2021 at 8:41 AM, mr_irie1 said:

A conspiracy theorist friend of mine told me this was no accident. He said that "the woman that was killed was the wife of the attorney representing Michael Sussman in a case involving the Clinton Foundation and the Durham Report."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I told you that in confidence. 

[SNOORDA]

On 10/25/2021 at 12:03 PM, binkybink77 said:

Alec Baldwin is also one of the producers so he has liability from multiple sides here.  What I don't understand is why real guns that can fire live ammo even used in movies?  Actors are Fing dumb.   Like really dumb and arrogant and surrounded by yes men their whole lives.. they shouldn't be trusted with real firearms.  

 Actors aren’t very sharp in real world settings.
 

And they are treated with kid gloves everywhere they go and they are never told no either.  
 

like spoiled children. 
 

would you give a spoiled child a real gun?    Of course not.  So why do we give them to spoiled egotistical actors?  Same same.