February 27, 20224 yr 16 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Tricky to tell what's really going on since Putin is a mastermind of psychological warfare. Maybe once. But he's bought into his own BS too much.
February 27, 20224 yr 18 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Tricky to tell what's really going on since Putin is a mastermind of psychological warfare. Too bad for him he's not a mastermind of actual warfare.
February 27, 20224 yr Just now, we_gotta_believe said: Too bad for him he's not a mastermind of actual warfare. Hitler comparisons are starting to get really on the nose.
February 27, 20224 yr 1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Hitler comparisons are starting to get really on the nose. Only a matter of time before someone photoshops Vlad face onto the Downfall meme
February 27, 20224 yr Just now, we_gotta_believe said: Only a matter of time before someone photoshops Vlad face onto the Downfall meme I'm actually shocked it hasn't happened. In fact.. let me look around lol
February 27, 20224 yr If done right, the discussions with Russia at least should provide time for more aid and weapons to make their way from the western part of the country.
February 27, 20224 yr 1 minute ago, Thrive said: If done right, the discussions with Russia at least should provide time for more aid and weapons to make their way from the western part of the country. The tricky part is how you could trust they'd be done right when a Russian loyalist is in charge of security.
February 27, 20224 yr 10 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Maybe once. But he's bought into his own BS too much. I watched a long speech be an American professor in the Ukraine from 2015 who specialized in this entire Russia/Putin/Ukraine situation. He got everything right so far except one thing. He said if Putin couldn't have Ukraine then he would destroy it (not materially) BUT he was clear that Putin wasn't going to invade Ukraine. He called Putin many things but the one saving point was that he said Putin was rational and that if you understood him you would understand his moves. I'm concerned now that this professor was 100% correct BUT that Putin has gone a bit nuts over the last year or so and no longer sees the overall logic in the full picture. My wife is quickly becoming a temporary mini prepper and we've got radios going, charged battery packs, have some extra water, etc. One thing she couldn't get was iodine. It is completely 100% out all over Stockholm.
February 27, 20224 yr 1 minute ago, DrPhilly said: I watched a long speech be an American professor in the Ukraine from 2015 who specialized in this entire Russia/Putin/Ukraine situation. He got everything right so far except one thing. He said if Putin couldn't have Ukraine then he would destroy it (not materially) BUT he was clear that Putin wasn't going to invade Ukraine. He called Putin many things but the one saving point was that he said Putin was logical and that if you understood him you would understand his moves. I'm concerned now that this professor was 100% correct BUT that Putin has gone a bit nuts over the last year or so and no longer sees the overall logic in the full picture. My wife is quickly becoming a temporary mini prepper and we've got radios going, charged battery packs, have some extra water, etc. One thing she couldn't get was iodine. It is completely 100% out all over Stockholm. My dumb ass lives a mile from power plant and never pick up my iodine packs. Just assume I’ll die quickly anyway
February 27, 20224 yr Couple of Ukrainians built my deck last year. Tough sons of bishes and hard workers. Also, I have a colleague from the Ukraine here in Stockholm. A sw developer. I chatted with him today and all his family is staying in Kiev. I didn't know he was from there but turns out he and his family are all from Kiev. He is in constant communication with them via messaging apps. He says they are of course very shaken but have gotten over the initial shock and gathering themselves now.
February 27, 20224 yr And this is why we're Fed. I've been chatting with a friend about this recently who's always kind of a wildcard and an independent with some things but who I would generally consider freedom-loving and some with democratic sensibilities. I can't believe I had to respond to this crap when I woke up. Quote So at what point do we start arresting and exiling Russians that are here in America? Wouldn't you think that something we should probably be doing? Or maybe not because it could be seen as a declaration of war? Me: What crimes would we be arresting them for? Sometimes the constitution gets in the way What crimes did we arrest Japanese in America for when we put them in internment camps? Me: I mean, that was a travesty. It would also be a travesty to be attacked from within Me: I'm not exactly sure what you're suggesting but it seems pretty dangerous. You can't just go arresting people based on race or ethnicity. If they are a specific threat, you change them with a crime and arrest them. Call me a dictator if you want, but if my country goes to war with your country, then your people are no longer welcome in my country Me:Kinda Fed up, we have all manner of people in this country from all over the world. Sometimes those people are exactly who you need. Plenty of Japanese and German-Americans who fought valiantly in the world wars. Ok so let's look at the reverse side of the coin... if your country goes to war with my country and I'm in your country, then I'm going to be fearful and patriotic and I'm going to do everything in my power to F your country up Me: It also totally degrees your credibility as a nation. Like you can't argue that you're the side fighting for freedom when you're Fing arresting people based on nationality. That's a pretty uniquely American way of looking at it... I'm not talking about American citizens Me: It's more or less just a modern way of looking at things. It goes to the heart of morale. I'm talking about Russians that are here on Visas Me: You can kick them out. Cancel the visas. Then if they overstay the visa, they are technically committing a crime. That's what I'm saying. Expel all Russians that are here but aren't naturalized How welcome do you think American citizens were in any country we were at war with? I think it's a pretty uniquely American viewpoint to endow so many rights on foreigners in our country at a time of war with their home country Not that we're at war with Russia............ yet I can tell you in Afghanistan, they just turn the camera on and cut their Fing heads off... Me: Modern and Western maybe but not uniquely American So, are we trying to be like Afghanistan now? That's not the point In a world of nuclear capabilities including things like dirty bombs, at a time of war, I think national security should trump the rights of foreign non- citizens from combatant countries Me: You can target individuals. You can cancel visas and look at those with deep connections to Russia and expel them. You can take some kind of surgical approach to ridding bad actors, but what you're suggesting is quite disturbing. I didn't say we should behead people... I'm just saying they need to get the F out Me: I understand your concerns, but I think you need to pull back from fear a little bit here. We have differing opinions on this. To me, the safety of Russian citizens in foreign countries is a consideration that Russian leadership should've considered before invading a sovereign nation and potentially inciting another world war Me: We're not there yet. Look at Gitmo... as soon as you're considered an enemy combatant you have zero Fing rights I'm all for freedoms and rights... but when it comes to war you have to show strength if you want true deterrence 🤦♂️
February 27, 20224 yr 10 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: And this is why we're Fed. I've been chatting with a friend about this recently who's always kind of a wildcard and an independent with some things but who I would generally consider freedom-loving and some with democratic sensibilities. I can't believe I had to respond to this crap when I woke up. 🤦♂️ They might enjoy this book.
February 27, 20224 yr 11 hours ago, vikas83 said: JFC. If they use chemical weapons, that’s a game changer. It’s like Putin is now trying to force the west to intervene. I don’t think that’s his endgame, but maybe he is playing possum to try and draw us in? Much more likely that he is losing it and his generals suck. With about 6 tablespoons of Us/Western intelligence and planning that he ran straight into. At least that would be my hunch at this point.
February 27, 20224 yr 10 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: They might enjoy this book. Or this one, right?
February 27, 20224 yr 18 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: They might enjoy this book. He's still going: Quote I don't feel all of our liberal democratic values should apply to all people the world over at all times in all situations. They do have to generally and broadly apply if you want have any credibility and legitimacy before the world, and to a certain extent, with your own people. I think America spends a little too much time **** footing around on the international stage. From a military and national security standpoint, I think these liberal democratic ideals of everyone gets a chance to lie to a court is one of our great weaknesses Wow, just wow. Another example of what I'm getting at here: the Geneva convention says it would be an illegal human rights violation for us to stop a tomahawk missile right in Putin's lap right now... but jeeez wouldn't that solve an awful lot of problems at this particular juncture? The liberal international order that was instituted after WWII to ensure that a future world war never happened again were founded on exactly those principles. So, before you get all fast and lose with basic concepts of justice and rule of law, you need to consider much of our international stability and protection from the war you fear rests on exactly those principles. They have been effectively exported to the wider world. OUr alliances rest on them. Oh, this one's good... Quote Well, I certainly haven't heard Gitmo referenced in a positive sense in a long time... This is a positive reference? Lol Well, referencing it as a legitimate tool. I mean, the problem with Gitmo is that people have been there for 20 years are not been charged. F em... they're there for a reason What if they're not? You're just going to take the word of whatever shadowy authority is in power? Couldn't ever see a situation where bad people are in power and just throw their enemies on a island somewhere? They weren't Americans or in America... I have a hard time believing the American military would just detain random middle easterners indefinitely without reason to believe they're enemy combatants. Seems like a big waste of time and money to me Goddamn, this is a disappointing conversation. They're there as the result of CIA investigations The CIA shoulld have something on them. And present the evidence against them. Although they may not have gotten a day in court, I guarantee you there's a big file on every single one of them The bar isn't even Fing high, it's a military tribunal. If there's credible evidence that they want to do harm to America and Americans, lock them up and throw away the key Then present the evidence at trial! And give them a lawyer? Military tribunal, representation is different but they get some kind of representation. If the evidence is there, what point does the trial serve? I think this goes beyond a simple disagreement to how willing we are to uphold the liberal-democratic values that our nation was founded on. They seem relatively expendable to you.
February 27, 20224 yr 3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Confused? Maybe you should read the book instead of virtue signaling Virtue signalling? Lol, you don't even know what the term means apparently. I'm confused wtf point you were trying to make? That FDR was responsible for interment? You think I don't know that? Do you think I also don't believe that it was one of the most shameful chapters in our history?
February 27, 20224 yr 3 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: He's still going: It's a hard time to live in mate, watching so many people around you just completely lose their marbles. Sanity has become the most precious resource you can have. As painful as it is you have to cut the ones the from your life that can't be helped or were never your responsibility and be there for those that are struggling and you can or have to.
February 27, 20224 yr 2 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Virtue signalling? Lol, you don't even know what the term means apparently. I'm confused wtf point you were trying to make? That FDR was responsible for interment? You think I don't know that? Do you think I also don't believe that it was one of the most shameful chapters in our history? Yeah posting a random convo with some moron on facebook to show us how virtuous and smart you are? Thats virtue signaling by definition And I dont know, you seemed confused as to why I posted the FDR biography. It was more for Daves response
February 27, 20224 yr 2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Yeah posting a random convo with some moron on facebook to show us how virtuous and smart you are? No, I posted it because I'm literally astounded by the BS this guy is spewing and see it as very ominous for how people might act when the international situation becomes highly destabilized. There are lot of people that think like this guy. Thanks for being a d-bag, though.
February 27, 20224 yr Mike, you guys have already met the thread's daily mental illness quota thanks to Procus reposting the same Trump poll for the fourteenth time in 3 days. No need for you to jump in now, he's got your shift covered. Your next shift doesn't start until 8am tomorrow.
February 27, 20224 yr 15 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Or this one, right? 10 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Confused? Maybe you should read the book instead of virtue signaling 4 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Yeah posting a random convo with some moron on facebook to show us how virtuous and smart you are? Thats virtue signaling by definition And I dont know, you seemed confused as to why I posted the FDR biography. It was more for Daves response
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