10 hours ago, Outlaw said:

Nope. Wrong. I said while I disagree with going there, I will support every single one of our troops. 
 

You said, "what sacrifice?” By saying this you were implying you don’t view military service as a sacrifice. So I’m asking you what have you done or not done that you actually consider a sacrifice? Pretty straight forward. 

Military service is not in and of itself a sacrifice.  Case in point, an Illinois judge recently gave a convicted sexual assaulter the option of serving time in the military.  The French use outcasts from other countries.  
 

We pay for peoples college and pay people often more than they could make flipping burgers at Burger King.  So not it’s not a sacrifice.

On the other hand, there are those who volunteer for missions like the raid to capture bin laden, knowing there is a large chance of death or serious injury.  You can’t pay people like that enough.

Now I ask again, which is Toastrel

38 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

Military service is not in and of itself a sacrifice.  Case in point, an Illinois judge recently gave a convicted sexual assaulter the option of serving time in the military.  The French use outcasts from other countries.  
 

We pay for peoples college and pay people often more than they could make flipping burgers at Burger King.  So not it’s not a sacrifice.

On the other hand, there are those who volunteer for missions like the raid to capture bin laden, knowing there is a large chance of death or serious injury.  You can’t pay people like that enough.

Now I ask again, which is Toastrel

No, I did not go after bin Laden. I volunteered in peace time. Never shot at. Only really at risk once, but the terrorists did not come and blow us up or shoot at us, so all is good.

 

I would like to thank you for outing yourself to everyone, again and again in this thread. You are ignorant of history, and deserve the doom you will reap.

Vladimir Putin's NATO Gamble in Ukraine Is Backfiring, Says Ambassador to EU

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/vladimir-putins-nato-gamble-in-ukraine-is-backfiring-says-ambassador-to-eu/ar-AATct2c?ocid=BingNews

 

Of course, this is a Ukrainian talking, you know, our traditional enemy, so take it with the Bonneville salt flat.

13 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

Vladimir Putin's NATO Gamble in Ukraine Is Backfiring, Says Ambassador to EU

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/vladimir-putins-nato-gamble-in-ukraine-is-backfiring-says-ambassador-to-eu/ar-AATct2c?ocid=BingNews

 

Of course, this is a Ukrainian talking, you know, our traditional enemy, so take it with the Bonneville salt flat.

Quote

A November poll of 5,000 adults published by Ukraine's Rating Sociological Group found that 62 percent of Ukrainians in territories not currently occupied by pro-Russian separatists want the country to join the EU, while 58 percent also want to join NATO.

If you exclude everyone who is friendly toward Russia, 58% of Ukrainians prefer NATO.

LOL!

23 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

No, I did not go after bin Laden. I volunteered in peace time. Never shot at. Only really at risk once, but the terrorists did not come and blow us up or shoot at us, so all is good.

 

I would like to thank you for outing yourself to everyone, again and again in this thread. You are ignorant of history, and deserve the doom you will reap.

And you were paid, and you were supported at the time.  I will ‘support’ those who get dragged into another pointless conflict, but that’s not going to be you.  Very easy for you to say go now

next You’ll be saying we should support the mercenaries and soldiers from other countries that are in NATO

 

1 hour ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

Military service is not in and of itself a sacrifice.  Case in point, an Illinois judge recently gave a convicted sexual assaulter the option of serving time in the military.  The French use outcasts from other countries.  
 

We pay for peoples college and pay people often more than they could make flipping burgers at Burger King.  So not it’s not a sacrifice.

On the other hand, there are those who volunteer for missions like the raid to capture bin laden, knowing there is a large chance of death or serious injury.  You can’t pay people like that enough.

Now I ask again, which is Toastrel

Wow. A live walking talking POS. I ask again, what have you ever sacrificed on the level of a member of our military? You think stupid anecdotes will prove your point?

12 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Wow. A live walking talking POS. I ask again, what have you ever sacrificed on the level of a member of our military? You think stupid anecdotes will prove your point?

What have you ever sacrificed?

1 minute ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

What have you ever sacrificed?

Your failure is so epic, you would think it would be obvious even to you, and you should STFU and leave with your tail between your legs.

1 minute ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

What have you ever sacrificed?

Nothing on that level. However, I’m not the person saying the military is not one. Way to deflect. Go ahead and tell us all about yours. I’ll wait. 

6 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Nothing on that level. However, I’m not the person saying the military is not one. Way to deflect. Go ahead and tell us all about yours. I’ll wait. 

So I start by mentioning, correctly, that Toastrel wouldn’t be the one going into Ukraine and he should therefor defer to someone who is, and if no one wants to go then there should be no war.  
 

He proceeds to bring up what a tough guy military sacrificing guy he is, without any facts to back up whether or not he was one of the paper pushers or actually performed service.  This sort of bragging by the way is exactly why the military attempts (but fails, for practical reasons) to make rules like not being political while in uniform.   He took a salary, and probably is now taking a pension and now thinks he’s also entitled to tell anyone else a what a POS they are for disagreeing with him, despite the fact that the very reason we have a military in the first place is so that people can be free and live in peace and have their own opinions.  Who is the POS?

Agreed with Seventy. Toaster did the same thing to me in the Woke Military thread. If you have a legitimate criticism about the military, like my opinion that it may not be a good thing that the military is lowering the standards of physical requirements so they can recruit more trans furries into elite special forces units he instantly jumps in with "you didn't serve, you don't get an opinion herrdurr!" It's retarded and an incredibly transparent way to shut down criticism of liberal politicians. 

Here, he does it again because Seventy is opposed to the idea of sending 18 year old Americans to die at the Ukrainian border. "I served so if retarded liberals want to sacrifice young Americans to boost dismal democrat poll numbers, I say we let them!" 

Same idea as people saying "you don't support the troops" if you're against military intervention in the Middle East which also happens here quite a bit. It's retarded. It's transparent. And we're all dumber having read it. 

He certainly didn’t serve for free.  He was paid

9 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Agreed with Seventy. Toaster did the same thing to me in the Woke Military thread. If you have a legitimate criticism about the military, like my opinion that it may not be a good thing that the military is lowering the standards of physical requirements so they can recruit more trans furries into elite special forces units he instantly jumps in with "you didn't serve, you don't get an opinion herrdurr!" It's retarded and an incredibly transparent way to shut down criticism of liberal politicians. 

Here, he does it again because Seventy is opposed to the idea of sending 18 year old Americans to die at the Ukrainian border. "I served so if retarded liberals want to sacrifice young Americans to boost dismal democrat poll numbers, I say we let them!" 

Same idea as people saying "you don't support the troops" if your against military intervention in the Middle East. It's retarded. It's transparent. And we're all dumber having read it. 

I have to say, Republicans whining about being called unpatriotic after using it as an attack line every day for the last 60 years is

After the democrats of the 60s joined the republicans and called themselves republicans 

4 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/01/26/russia-ukraine-putin-experts-00000019

Long read, but a lot of interesting informed takes.

Interesting takes. It seems that Putin's posturing and troop build ups along with the never ending blitz of Russian propaganda in right wing media is getting his desired results. 20 years ago most of the country and most of the world would have been united in standing up to this kind of aggression. Now the far left and the far right parrot Putin's talking points of EU, NATO, and American withdraw from Eastern Europe. 

12 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

I have to say, Republicans whining about being called unpatriotic after using it as an attack line every day for the last 60 years is

To be fair, Republicans are far, far more patriotic than democrats and everyone knows it. That's really not debatable. If you see an American flag flying at someone's house or see an American flag decal, the person is automatically assumed to be a Republican, if we're being honest.

2 hours ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

Military service is not in and of itself a sacrifice.  

Actually it is. The ignorance on display here is truly remarkable, and that's saying quite a bit for the low bar CVON sets. 

2 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Actually it is. The ignorance on display here is truly remarkable, and that's saying quite a bit for the low bar CVON sets. 

Actually it’s not.  Wahh

2 minutes ago, Kz! said:

To be fair, Republicans are far, far more patriotic than democrats and everyone knows it. That's really not debatable. If you see an American flag flying at someone's house or see an American flag decal, the person is automatically assumed to be a Republican, if we're being honest.

Only we're allowed to attack people as unpatriotic!

Respect the troops or move to Russia, commie.

3 minutes ago, Kz! said:

To be fair, Republicans are far, far more patriotic than democrats and everyone knows it. That's really not debatable. If you see an American flag flying at someone's house or see an American flag decal, the person is automatically assumed to be a Republican, if we're being honest.

That may have been true 10 years ago, its rarely true now. Both at their homes and at the capitol itself on Jan 6th, republicans took down the American flag and replaced it with the MAGA one. You're loyal to a game show host,  not your country... the whole lot of you. 

Thought experiment, try to follow, guys. Who is more likely to want statues of the founding fathers removed from public spaces? Is it:

a) A democrat

b) A republican

Think hard, fellas. I know this is tough.   

26 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

He certainly didn’t serve for free.  He was paid

Do you need another shovel?

3 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Thought experiment, try to follow, guys. Who is more likely to want statues of the founding fathers removed from public spaces? Is it:

a) A democrat

b) A republican

Think hard, fellas. I know this is tough.   

New thought experiment.  Who's more likely to side with Russia over America?  Is it:

a) A democrat

b) A republican

49 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

So I start by mentioning, correctly, that Toastrel wouldn’t be the one going into Ukraine and he should therefor defer to someone who is, and if no one wants to go then there should be no war.  
 

He proceeds to bring up what a tough guy military sacrificing guy he is, without any facts to back up whether or not he was one of the paper pushers or actually performed service.  This sort of bragging by the way is exactly why the military attempts (but fails, for practical reasons) to make rules like not being political while in uniform.   He took a salary, and probably is now taking a pension and now thinks he’s also entitled to tell anyone else a what a POS they are for disagreeing with him, despite the fact that the very reason we have a military in the first place is so that people can be free and live in peace and have their own opinions.  Who is the POS?

Nice, except I didn't mention sending troops to Ukraine, but nice try. I don't believe we need to get more US troops (that get paid though, so F 'em) killed on foreign soil.

What have you got next, you ignorant POS? (Yes, you are the POS. Ask anyone buy Kz! or his butt buddies.)