1 minute ago, VanHammersly said:

Somehow in your deranged mind, the guy who invaded another country isn't the one who's "putting civilians in harms way" 

Preventing your own citizens from leaving the battlefield is a good thing because the other guy started the war. 

Morally bankrupt!

Just now, Abracadabra said:

Civilians can leave the cities. Except they're being prevented in many places. Zelensy is keeping civilians in the cities and placing weapons in their vicinity. 

Throughout time, nations, including ours, have instituted a draft.  Countries protect themselves.  Sometimes conscripting the people is the only way to do it.

3 minutes ago, Abracadabra said:

Civilians can leave the cities. Except they're being prevented in many places. Zelensy is keeping civilians in the cities and placing weapons in their vicinity. 

Ummm. Only those who want to fight are staying. Over 550,000 women and children have fled. Zelensky only kept men of fighting age. Zelensky isn't preventing anyone else from leaving. Russian Bot.

So Putin decided to try to get his Russian empire back together…

Not really surprising given his own writing and those of Aleksander Dugin and his inspiration, Carl Schmitt.

Im just shocked that NATO seemed so I’ll-prepared for this. It was obvious that Ukraine was his ambition. If they wanted to keep him out then they seemed to choose the worst of all worlds: they didn’t bring Ukraine into NATO while Russia was weaker (that would have been highly provocative but a genuine power play) but they also provoked him enough to make him feel the issue was urgent.

I think Putin takes at least half of Ukraine. I could see a Cold War 2 situation with this ending in an East/West Ukraine like Germany before the Berlin Wall fell. Could also see him take the whole damn country which would be a disaster. Figure there is a small chance Ukraine gives him the long term insurgency treatment with Western/NATO backing and that combined with economic isolation is enough to force a withdraw, but unfortunately I don’t think it’s likely. In a perfect world things go so bad that the other oligarchs carry out a coup. Then again, the Devil you know…

Truly a terrible, dangerous time for the world. A return to 20th century Cold War geopolitics and a symbolic end to US hegemony. I read that Finland is considering joining NATO. That would be my move if I had a say. Bring in every other at risk state. It’s the only way to truly prevent this kind of aggression.

14 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Even if true, look at all of the nothing that happened as a result

You just said it, Russias army still isn't ready, yet they chose now to invade (again)

All the talking points about Trump or Putin or NATO cant make your logic add up

I guess if it all works out in the end a little blackmail by the president should be forgiven.

15 minutes ago, Abracadabra said:

Does it really matter? 

Putting civilians in harms way is evil. This is not the actions of someone winning a war. This is desperation. 

read on in her thread.  her friend doesn't want to kill another human.  its not that he is scared to die.  unfortunately, when ones home is at risk, all bets are off.

10 minutes ago, Abracadabra said:

Civilians can leave the cities. Except they're being prevented in many places. Zelensy is keeping civilians in the cities and placing weapons in their vicinity. 

So they just leave?  Where do they go?  What do they eat?

The weapons are going everywhere.  Thats what happens when youre being invaded by a superior army, you have to fight on someone elses terms.

 

 

 

Russia refuses to allow its citizens access to what is going on in this War. 

4 hours ago, Outlaw said:

As I watch this devastation, I start wondering…what would need to happen for YOU to be okay with the US stepping in?

Putin attacking a NATO ally.

Unfortunately you can’t take the chance of setting off world war 3. We would obliterate Russia in a conventional war, but Putin has already made clear that he’s willing to use tactical nukes if the west gets involved.

Is that a bluff? Maybe. Perhaps even probably. But you don’t risk nuclear WW3 over a nation that isn’t our ally.

Russia's 40-mile convoy appears to have bogged down en route to Kyiv; shells pound Ukrainian city of Kharkiv. Live updates.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-soldiers-killed-artillery-hits-084241623.html

A massive, 40-mile convoy of Russian tanks and vehicles appeared to bog down on its push toward the capital of Kyiv on Tuesday while residential areas of Kharkiv, Ukraine's second-largest city, were being pounded by Russian shells.

The Russian military advance drew to within 15 miles of Kyiv’s center amid signs that troops are running out of gas and food, a senior U.S. Defense Department official said Tuesday. Russia has committed about 80% of the combat force President Vladimir Putin deployed to invade Ukraine, the official said.

Ukrainian resistance is continuing, and it has helped stymie the advance, according to the official who briefed reporters on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence findings.

 

Latest updates:

►At least two international humanitarian groups accused Russia of using cluster bombs, which open in the air and rain down multiple explosives over a wide area with little accuracy. Moscow denied the allegation.

►In Moscow, people lined up to withdraw cash as sanctions imposed by the West threatened to drive up prices and reduce the standard of living for millions of ordinary Russians. The Russian currency plunged, making the ruble worth less than a penny.

►At least 677,000 refugees had already fled from Ukraine into neighboring countries, most to Poland, said Filippo Grandi, the U.N. high commissioner for refugees.

►Zelenskyy, in an address to the European parliament Tuesday, said his country is fighting "to be equal members of Europe. We have proven that, as a minimum, we are the same as you.”

►The State Department has closed the U.S. Embassy in Belarus, a Russian neighbor and supporter, and is allowing non-essential staff at the U.S. Embassy in Russia to leave the country.

►Russia closed its airspace to carriers from 36 nations, including European countries and Canada, after those nations closed their airspaces to all Russian aircraft.

 

 

14 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Somehow in your deranged mind, the guy who invaded another country isn't the one who's "putting civilians in harms way" 

Putin had no choice, if you really think about it

10 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Throughout time, nations, including ours, have instituted a draft.  Countries protect themselves.  Sometimes conscripting the people is the only way to do it.

Hell, conscripts are really all the Russians have, thus their sheety morale.

14 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

this one is a big one

 

Might be another angle on that fuel depot they hit the other day.

1 minute ago, barho said:

Hell, conscripts are really all the Russians have, thus their sheety morale.

 

21 minutes ago, Abracadabra said:

Putting civilians in harms way is evil. 

  Abra hates Putin

3 minutes ago, TEW said:

Putin attacking a NATO ally.

Unfortunately you can’t take the chance of setting off world war 3. We would obliterate Russia in a conventional war, but Putin has already made clear that he’s willing to use tactical nukes if the west gets involved.

Is that a bluff? Maybe. Perhaps even probably. But you don’t risk nuclear WW3 over a nation that isn’t our ally.

That's where I stood a few days ago...not so much anymore.

4 minutes ago, TEW said:

Putin attacking a NATO ally.

Unfortunately you can’t take the chance of setting off world war 3. We would obliterate Russia in a conventional war, but Putin has already made clear that he’s willing to use tactical nukes if the west gets involved.

Is that a bluff? Maybe. Perhaps even probably. But you don’t risk nuclear WW3 over a nation that isn’t our ally.

 

This is pretty much where I'm at. Haven't seen you around here in awhile...

5 minutes ago, TEW said:

Putin attacking a NATO ally.

Unfortunately you can’t take the chance of setting off world war 3. We would obliterate Russia in a conventional war, but Putin has already made clear that he’s willing to use tactical nukes if the west gets involved.

Is that a bluff? Maybe. Perhaps even probably. But you don’t risk nuclear WW3 over a nation that isn’t our ally.

It’s really as simple as that.  
which is why Putin need to be off’d

12 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

Ummm. Only those who want to fight are staying. Over 550,000 women and children have fled. Zelensky only kept men of fighting age. Zelensky isn't preventing anyone else from leaving. Russian Bot.

BS!

There are people in Kyiv reporting on this. 

7 minutes ago, Ugluk said:

I guess if it all works out in the end a little blackmail by the president should be forgiven.

Good idea, maybe Biden should try it, his other methods suck

6 minutes ago, paco said:

Putin had no choice, if you really think about it

Some would say his grievances were legitimate even.

5 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I have a really hard time believing they aren't using encrypted comms. Of all the fake stuff being posted on Twitter, that's one I'd put my money down on.

No, they’re legitimately not using encrypted comms. 
 

 

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Good idea, maybe Biden should try it, his other methods suck

Wait, let me get this straight. In order to prevent Russia invading Ukraine, Biden should have blackmailed Ukraine and withheld military aid to them?

4 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

This is pretty much where I'm at. Haven't seen you around here in awhile...

He was at a conference for fake libertarians

7 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

Might be another angle on that fuel depot they hit the other day.

Yeah, who knows