March 1, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, The_Omega said: Anyone pulling for Ukraine needs to pray for the continued safety of Zelensky. He's Putin's main target right now, and his continued leadership and bravery is a big motivator to the Ukrainian people at this point. If, God forbid, something happens to him, it would be so demoralizing the country might not recover. Zelenskyy is absolutely central. But I think that underestimates the will of the Ukrainian people. I think Zelenskyy gives a fantastic voice to something that is already there. And he has played the information warfare side of this incredibly well, which is entirely to his credit. But I don't see this as a "cut off the head of the snake" situation. I don't know that someone else will step up and perform the role as well, but Zelenskyy is not doing this by himself.
March 1, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Paul852 said: His was far more creative. You lose. My reaction time decimated him.
March 1, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, DBW said: That’s not how this works. You can’t just go in and claim land and make new boundaries. Just like you can’t just claim you won the presidency even though you got smoked in the voting. It happened in Yugoslavia and it's going to happen here if that's what Russia wants. It may never be recognized by the West but that doesn't matter. Shrug off negotiations and you get a solution imposed.
March 1, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Zelenskyy is absolutely central. But I think that underestimates the will of the Ukrainian people. I think Zelenskyy gives a fantastic voice to something that is already there. And he has played the information warfare side of this incredibly well, which is entirely to his credit. But I don't see this as a "cut off the head of the snake" situation. I don't know that someone else will step up and perform the role as well, but Zelenskyy is not doing this by himself. It must be nice to see the world for what you want it to be, rather than what it actually is.
March 1, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, The_Omega said: Anyone pulling for Ukraine needs to pray for the continued safety of Zelensky. He's Putin's main target right now, and his continued leadership and bravery is a big motivator to the Ukrainian people at this point. If, God forbid, something happens to him, it would be so demoralizing the country might not recover. You just needed to say "Everyone" Quote Everyone needs to pray for the continued safety of Zelensky. Who is not pulling for Ukraine? Who is even on the fence?
March 1, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, toolg said: You just needed to say "Everyone" Who is not pulling for Ukraine? Who is even on the fence? Another one seeing things they want to, rather than reality 21 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: But Biden has been money as leader of the free world on this. I really hope that you're trolling here.
March 1, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, The_Omega said: It must be nice to see the world for what you want it to be, rather than what it actually is. How so exactly? Do you honestly think, after you've seen what the Ukrainian people have done here, that Zelenskyy going down would cause them to fold? He would be a powerful martyr IMHO.
March 1, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Zelenskyy is absolutely central. But I think that underestimates the will of the Ukrainian people. I think Zelenskyy gives a fantastic voice to something that is already there. And he has played the information warfare side of this incredibly well, which is entirely to his credit. But I don't see this as a "cut off the head of the snake" situation. I don't know that someone else will step up and perform the role as well, but Zelenskyy is not doing this by himself. Yep. I've noticed most videos posted from Ukrainians don't even mention Zelenskyy. He is an important figure head for sure, but I don't see it breaking their will.
March 1, 20223 yr Just now, JohnSnowsHair said: How so exactly? Do you honestly think, after you've seen what the Ukrainian people have done here, that Zelenskyy going down would cause them to fold? He would be a powerful martyr IMHO. Pollyanna seems that it would be a nice place to visit.
March 1, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, The_Omega said: I really hope that you're trolling here. It's a little over the top as a mild trolling line. But Biden has been very good. And you anti-Biden guys are really selling him short. But I'm happy that we got a "solid B" grade out of someone who has a terminal case of BDS.
March 1, 20223 yr 14 minutes ago, The_Omega said: Anyone pulling for Ukraine needs to pray for the continued safety of Zelensky. He's Putin's main target right now, and his continued leadership and bravery is a big motivator to the Ukrainian people at this point. If, God forbid, something happens to him, it would be so demoralizing the country might not recover. Putin would make him a martyr if he took him out. I don't think it'd demoralize them. Hell it might make some go kamikaze in a blaze of glory while killing a bunch of Russians
March 1, 20223 yr 14 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: If they strike down Zelensky now, he will become more powerful than they could ever imagine
March 1, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, DBW said: And he was the first president to provide actual weapons to them. All of history is not nearly as useful to you as part of history, is it?
March 1, 20223 yr 13 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: This point was clearly a miscalculation. And a rational person would have known that. An irrational person who has bought into their own propaganda might though. But now we're not talking about a rational person. 2014 happened whether Putin wants to accept it or now. The Ukrainian people were pushing the nation towards the West. Putin couldn't stand that, that is why he struck. It's not rational no matter how you try to spin it. Definitely not a miscalculation— there are tons of Ukrainians who support Putin. Putin is going to end up with most, and probably all, of Ukraine. It’s been his long term goal for decades. He calculated correctly to achieve his ends. Not sure how you can spin this into some irrational action.
March 1, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, The_Omega said: And he was the first president to provide actual weapons to them. All of history is not nearly as useful to you as part of history, is it? Well first he blackmailed them by only agreeing to sell them weapons so they could defend themselves under the contingency that they investigate Joe Biden.
March 1, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, Paul852 said: Oh no, zuke is infesting this thread with anti-Biden speech too. cheeto losing the election to Biden broke him.
March 1, 20223 yr Just now, mr_hunt said: cheeto losing the election to Biden broke him. He's clearly going through it. Plus Biden helping to bring the world together against Trump's biggest friend must hurt a lot too.
March 1, 20223 yr 27 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Zelenskyy is absolutely central. But I think that underestimates the will of the Ukrainian people. I think Zelenskyy gives a fantastic voice to something that is already there. And he has played the information warfare side of this incredibly well, which is entirely to his credit. But I don't see this as a "cut off the head of the snake" situation. I don't know that someone else will step up and perform the role as well, but Zelenskyy is not doing this by himself. I would bet Russia will get him, and he will be a martyr that Ukrainians rally around for generations.
March 1, 20223 yr 20 minutes ago, TEW said: Definitely not a miscalculation— there are tons of Ukrainians who support Putin. Putin is going to end up with most, and probably all, of Ukraine. It’s been his long term goal for decades. He calculated correctly to achieve his ends. Not sure how you can spin this into some irrational action. "Support" for Putin and desire to relinquish their status as an independent nation and self-determination are entirely separate things. There were somewhere between a plurality and slim majority of Ukrainians in DNR and LNR who would have preferred being part of Russia. Most of the nation outside DNR and LNR overwhelmingly wanted to remain an independent nation. And support for Putin outside there areas was FAR less. It's absolutely a miscalculation. I don't know how you can look at the situation and think otherwise. And after what Russia has done in Western Ukraine, Kharkiv most notably, I'd wager that support for Putin everywhere - including DNR and LNR - has dropped considerably.
March 1, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Kz! said: Ghost of Kiev, the Snake Island people, female snipers taking out 758 Russian troops, etc. etc. There's been a lot of wartime propaganda floating out there. What about the ghost of snake female snipers, tell me that is false too
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