March 1, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: "Support" for Putin and desire to relinquish their status as an independent nation and self-determination are entirely separate things. There were somewhere between a plurality and slim majority of Ukrainians in DNR and LNR who would have preferred being part of Russia. Most of the nation outside DNR and LNR overwhelmingly wanted to remain an independent nation. And support for Putin outside there areas was FAR less. It's absolutely a miscalculation. I don't know how you can look at the situation and think otherwise. And after what Russia has done in Western Ukraine, Kharkiv most notably, I'd wager that support for Putin everywhere - including DNR and LNR - has dropped considerably. Because he’s literally getting what he wants? He wants Ukraine. Well, he’s about a week away from sacking Kiev. He’s winning the war.
March 1, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, TEW said: Because he’s literally getting what he wants? He wants Ukraine. Well, he’s about a week away from sacking Kiev. He’s winning the war. So did Pyyrhus.
March 1, 20223 yr European Parliament Votes to Advance Ukraine’s Application for EU Membership https://www.yahoo.com/news/european-parliament-votes-advance-ukraine-185648801.html The European Parliament voted Tuesday to advance Ukraine’s application for membership in the European Union, after Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelensky made an emergency appeal to the body amid Russia’s ongoing invasion. An overwhelming majority of European Parliament representatives voted for accepting Ukraine, with 637 in favor, 13 against, and 26 choosing to abstain. However, Ukraine’s application is not being fast-tracked. Countries are generally required to go through a number of steps in order to obtain membership, and the process can last years. "There is still a long path ahead,” European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen told E.U. lawmakers in Brussels on Tuesday. However, no one "can doubt that a people that stand up so bravely for our European values belong in our European family.” German foreign minister Annalena Baerbock also indicated that the process could take a long time. "Accession is not something that can be completed in a few months, but involves an intensive and far-reaching process of transformation,” Baerbock said on Monday, in comments reported by Bloomberg. Zelensky called on the European Parliament to "prove that you are with us” in an address on Tuesday.
March 1, 20223 yr If gas prices go sky high and dems don't use options available like keystone they are going to get destroyed worse in midterms than they already were
March 1, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, TEW said: Because he’s literally getting what he wants? He wants Ukraine. Well, he’s about a week away from sacking Kiev. He’s winning the war. He very well might get it. But that doesn't connect to any Ukrainians loving him. Some people love him in every country (people who know approx 2% of the details). Ukraine couldn't have fought like they've fought so far without a very large group of people who don't want them there. So yes, he might win. But he miscalculated the fight he was getting himself into and the response from the world. And he's likely gonna miscalculate what it will take to KEEP Ukraine.
March 1, 20223 yr Just now, Joe Shades 73 said: If gas prices go sky high and dems don't use options available like keystone they are going to get destroyed worse in midterms than they already were Yeah, this was another serious miscalculation by Biden and the administration. Too late for that now though.
March 1, 20223 yr Just now, TEW said: Yeah, this was another serious miscalculation by Biden and the administration. Too late for that now though. But if they at least look like they are doing something people will say ok I can endure higher prices for a bit
March 1, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Lloyd said: He very well might get it. But that doesn't connect to any Ukrainians loving him. Some people love him in every country (people who know approx 2% of the details). Ukraine couldn't have fought like they've fought so far without a very large group of people who don't want them there. So yes, he might win. But he miscalculated the fight he was getting himself into and the response from the world. And he's likely gonna miscalculate what it will take to KEEP Ukraine. He might win, but the Ruski's will never be able to occupy and hold the city. They will be under constant attack every day.
March 1, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Lloyd said: He very well might get it. But that doesn't connect to any Ukrainians loving him. Some people love him in every country (people who know approx 2% of the details). Ukraine couldn't have fought like they've fought so far without a very large group of people who don't want them there. So yes, he might win. But he miscalculated the fight he was getting himself into and the response from the world. And he's likely gonna miscalculate what it will take to KEEP Ukraine. How? He’s steamrolling through Ukraine faster than the US steamrolled Iraq. Yeah, of course not everyone likes Putin and there is some resistance l. You think Putin thought before the invasion he would be completely unopposed? Come on — we all agree Putin is the bad guy here, but it’s not like this invasion isn’t going well for him. He’s taking territory and strategic points quickly. Sucks, but in the real world sometimes the bad guys win.
March 1, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said: If gas prices go sky high and dems don't use options available like keystone they are going to get destroyed worse in midterms than they already were uh, keystone is not an option. well, keystone is. because keystone has been completed for over a decade. keystone xl would have had zero impact on the current situation because it was nowhere near completion. even under Trump it had stalled for years stuck in court battles. and even when completed the oil was among the dirtiest in the world. 14 oil pipelines were completed in 2021. it's not like we stopped all pipelines. there's a reason why it was blocked from the start: it was a bad idea.
March 1, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: He might win, but the Ruski's will never be able to occupy and hold the city. They will be under constant attack every day. We’ll see, but I doubt it.
March 1, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, TEW said: How? He’s steamrolling through Ukraine faster than the US steamrolled Iraq. Yeah, of course not everyone likes Putin and there is some resistance l. You think Putin thought before the invasion he would be completely unopposed? Come on — we all agree Putin is the bad guy here, but it’s not like this invasion isn’t going well for him. He’s taking territory and strategic points quickly. Sucks, but in the real world sometimes the bad guys win. sure, and it only cost him an economically and diplomatically isolated Russia, a reinvigorated NATO with a new lease on life, and they get to occupy a nation that doesn't want Russia there that will have been reduced to rubble and will require massive spending to maintain as a subjugated nation-state. but yeah, sure, totally good calculation on Putin's part because he gets a bunch of land.
March 1, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, TEW said: How? He’s steamrolling through Ukraine faster than the US steamrolled Iraq. Yeah, of course not everyone likes Putin and there is some resistance l. You think Putin thought before the invasion he would be completely unopposed? Come on — we all agree Putin is the bad guy here, but it’s not like this invasion isn’t going well for him. He’s taking territory and strategic points quickly. Sucks, but in the real world sometimes the bad guys win.
March 1, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: Man, really setting their sights high. Moldova is dirt poor, the poorest country in Europe I think. Reminds me of Mussolini invading Ethiopia.
March 1, 20223 yr 10 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said: If gas prices go sky high and dems don't use options available like keystone they are going to get destroyed worse in midterms than they already were Biden said no to the keystone pipeline when he was elected
March 1, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, TEW said: How? He’s steamrolling through Ukraine faster than the US steamrolled Iraq. Yeah, of course not everyone likes Putin and there is some resistance l. You think Putin thought before the invasion he would be completely unopposed? Come on — we all agree Putin is the bad guy here, but it’s not like this invasion isn’t going well for him. He’s taking territory and strategic points quickly. Sucks, but in the real world sometimes the bad guys win. How many troops did the US lose in the first 6 days of the invasion? Asking for a friend.
March 1, 20223 yr Just now, Mike030270 said: Biden said no to the keystone pipeline when he was elected Well things have changed in the world
March 1, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said: Well things have changed in the world Just so everyone is aware, approximately 2/3 of the oil from Keystone pipeline, like all oil refined at Gulf Coast refineries, would be exported. Its not the silver bullet folks make it out to be. It also transports Canadian oil, not ours.
March 1, 20223 yr 20 minutes ago, TEW said: How? He’s steamrolling through Ukraine faster than the US steamrolled Iraq. Yeah, of course not everyone likes Putin and there is some resistance l. You think Putin thought before the invasion he would be completely unopposed? Come on — we all agree Putin is the bad guy here, but it’s not like this invasion isn’t going well for him. He’s taking territory and strategic points quickly. Sucks, but in the real world sometimes the bad guys win. What the crap?? Dude....dont be the Cowboys fan saying loosing is part of the plan.
March 1, 20223 yr 15 minutes ago, TEW said: How? He’s steamrolling through Ukraine faster than the US steamrolled Iraq. Yeah, of course not everyone likes Putin and there is some resistance l. You think Putin thought before the invasion he would be completely unopposed? Come on — we all agree Putin is the bad guy here, but it’s not like this invasion isn’t going well for him. He’s taking territory and strategic points quickly. Sucks, but in the real world sometimes the bad guys win. But it was always going to "go well for him" from that perspective, no? Few of us had any doubts about whether or not the Russian army could take Ukraine. Even with their crap GDP, they're a superpower and Ukraine clearly isn't. As we learned in Afghanistan (and the USSR before us), holding a piece of land for a period of time isn't necessarily a win. I don't know man, maybe I'm losing the point we're even debating. Yes, he will likely throw enough bodies at the problem to win Ukraine. No, the people don't like him. And possibly, he's weakening his standing in the world for the sake of expanding to a land that won't want him there.
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