Just now, 20dawk4life said:

You’re also assuming he was scared they would join nato and the eu. He has said before he wants to bring back the ussr. This is all about ego and him wanting Russia to look strong but he just looks weak and pathetic. 

Well of course he was. That dictated the timeline. But I do agree on his ambitions. He wants an Eurasian empire. Disagree it’s about ego. Putin has real geopolitical goals. Chalking it up to vanity is insane. 

Friends, Russians, comrades, lend me your ears;

I come to chide Putin, not to praise him.

The evil that men do lives after them;

The good is oft interred with their bones;

So let it be with Putin. The noble Tucker

Hath told you Putin was ambitious:

If it were so, it was a grievous fault,

And grievously hath Putin answered it.

Here, under leave of Tucker and the rest.

For Tucker is an honorable man;

So are they all, all honorable men.

 

3 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Paul is still crying like a ****. Totally shocking.  

You're allowed to love Russia. That's your right as an American citizen. Lucky you.

29 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Russia doesn't get a vote.

No ish.  But they can cause quite a ruckus if they want to

 

8 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

The Trumpbots in here seem to think that Russia is all powerful

All powerful - no.  Very powerful military - absolutely.

1 minute ago, TEW said:

Well of course he was. That dictated the timeline. But I do agree on his ambitions. He wants an Eurasian empire. Disagree it’s about ego. Putin has real geopolitical goals. Chalking it up to vanity is insane. 

He might not have the military he thought he had for his world domination. You can only have so much propaganda in the age of social media and the internet in the hands of every single person. 

Just now, Paul852 said:

You're allowed to love Russia. That's your right as an American citizen. Lucky you.

You misspelled Putin's boner!

1 minute ago, Paul852 said:

You're allowed to love Russia. That's your right as an American citizen. Lucky you.

This is the sheet hole country these traitors have thrown their lot behind

54 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

 

haven't seen Abra around to defend these sorts of things. maybe his rubles dried up and his job at the troll factory didn't look as worthwhile?

And remember, they're the people that pretend to love freedom 

Just now, VanHammersly said:

This is the sheet hole country these traitors have thrown their lot behind

And remember, they're the people that pretend to love freedom 

They have every right to praise Russia & Putin.

 

We have every right to mock them for doing so.

2 minutes ago, Procus said:

No ish.  But they can cause quite a ruckus if they want to

Once Ukraine's in NATO, no one's scared of the Russian army going toe-to-toe with ours.  If they were before this debacle, they certainly aren't now.

12 minutes ago, TEW said:

No one said they don’t care about trade at all, the point is that it isn’t as important to Putin as it is to western leaders and his ambitions make trade a secondary issue.

Unfortunately, Russia and Putin did not agree with you that they had national security with Ukraine. They felt Ukraine would be incorporated into the EU and eventually NATO. And frankly, he’s probably right to have believed that.

And this is the problem — no one bothers understanding the viewpoint of Putin so you are all perplexed by his actions. They make total sense within his world view.

Before the invasion, who knows if Ukraine would be incorporated into EU and NATO. They were many steps away from acceptance. By invading, I feel Russia has accelerated Ukraine's inclusion in the West. Their claims of threat from Russia just became true. 

Dugin's theory proved correct - The invasion is considered illegitimate by attacking the large cities in the west. So now Putin has effectively put Russia behind an Iron Curtain, cutting them off from the rest of the world. What good is having Ukraine ports and resources if he's cut off from the part of the world that would be of use to them?

What is Putin's world view? Isolationist?

 

Putin has been warning the West about NATO expansion for 15 years. 

The idea the Putin is acting impulsively is pure nonsense.

Cleaning out the criminal cartels and Not-zzz is a gift to the Ukrainian people. 

 

Not buying the whole idea that Putin has some grand, genius design.

I whole heartedly believe he backed himself into a corner. He thought he could lean on Ukraine by threatening an all out invasion and get them to capitulate to his demands. It didn't happen so he was forced to go through with something he really didn't want to do. There's clear evidence of this coming from Russian troops who are surrendering en masse. Some of them even turned over their invasion plans that showed they were on approved on January 18th. The invasion is a total clown show. Many of the Russian troops had no idea what was going on and they've already started sabotaging their own equipment.

So now you've got a dictator who's seized total control over Russia who's gone "all in" on a situation that has the potential to have a devastating, lasting impact in his home country. "Strong men" who out themselves as not so strong usually tend to not have a long shelf life. So he's taking the only course of action available to him which is to make good on his threat. That doesn't make him Putin a genius. It makes him a bad poker player.

1 minute ago, toolg said:

Before the invasion, who knows if Ukraine would be incorporated into EU and NATO. They were many steps away from acceptance. By invading, I feel Russia has accelerated Ukraine's inclusion in the West. Their claims of threat from Russia just became true. 

Dugin's theory proved correct - The invasion is considered illegitimate by attacking the large cities in the west. So now Putin has effectively put Russia behind an Iron Curtain, cutting them off from the rest of the world. What good is having Ukraine ports and resources if he's cut off from the part of the world that would be of use to them?

What is Putin's world view? Isolationist?

 

Not all of us are able to put themselves in the jackbooted mind of a former KGB fellow, turned dictator.

 

TEW can, and that is all you need to know.

2 minutes ago, Abracadabra said:

Putin has been warning the West about NATO expansion for 15 years. 

The idea the Putin is acting impulsively is pure nonsense.

Cleaning out the criminal cartels and Not-zzz is a gift to the Ukrainian people. 

 

I'd say there's flights to Moscow leaving every day, but I guess there aren't anymore.  So, maybe just log off for the day and jack it to Putin on horseback.

3 minutes ago, Abracadabra said:

Cleaning out the criminal cartels and Not-zzz is a gift to the Ukrainian people. 

Yes I'm sure Ukrainians are very thankful for Russia's invasion. 

You're a psychopath.

12 minutes ago, TEW said:

Well of course he was. That dictated the timeline. But I do agree on his ambitions. He wants an Eurasian empire. Disagree it’s about ego. Putin has real geopolitical goals. Chalking it up to vanity is insane. 

his geopolitical goals are all about ego. that's what you're missing.

it's entirely ego-driven that he wants to rebuild the Soviet bloc. that others share that goal is shared ego-driven nostalgia. 

4 minutes ago, toolg said:

Before the invasion, who knows if Ukraine would be incorporated into EU and NATO. They were many steps away from acceptance. By invading, I feel Russia has accelerated Ukraine's inclusion in the West. Their claims of threat from Russia just became true. 

Dugin's theory proved correct - The invasion is considered illegitimate by attacking the large cities in the west. So now Putin has effectively put Russia behind an Iron Curtain, cutting them off from the rest of the world. What good is having Ukraine ports and resources if he's cut off from the part of the world that would be of use to them?

What is Putin's world view? Isolationist?

 

The US backed a coup to oust a Russia neutral leader for an anti-Russian pro west leader. Talks were already underway to incorporate Ukraine in the EU. This was going to happen, the question was when?

Because the geopolitical landscape isn’t static. The opportunity to take land is rare. Negotiating trade deals is relatively easy. He’s not thinking in terms of years. He’s thinking in terms of decades. Getting Ukraine before it joined NATO was the goal.

Putin’s world view is imperialist.

5 minutes ago, Abracadabra said:

Putin has been warning the West about NATO expansion for 15 years. 

The idea the Putin is acting impulsively is pure nonsense.

Cleaning out the criminal cartels and Not-zzz is a gift to the Ukrainian people. 

 

hey moron, how's your bank account?

maybe Putin should clean out the Wagner group before worrying about Azov neo-NSDAPs in Ukraine.

btw "NSDAP" is a general term Russians use for basically anything anti-Russia going back to WWII. the "denazification" is not about getting NSDAPs out of Ukraine (like I said, Russia has plenty of their own NSDAPs they could deal with, they don't need to go hunting for more in Ukraine), it's about the fact that Ukraine's people and government rejected Russia and are embracing the west.

after Ukraine started leaning west, Putin tried forcing Ukraine back to Russia's sphere with Yanukovych. but Ukrainians weren't having it, and sent his ass back to Russia. 

but keep telling yourself this is a liberation mission loser! 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-invasion-ukraine-could-become-080835823.html

 

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Wednesday that another World War would be "nuclear and destructive” for all parties and condemned Western sanctions on the Kremlin’s unprovoked war in Ukraine. Lavrov, in an interview with lAl-Jazeera News, claimed Russia would face "real danger” should Ukraine acquire nuclear weapons; Ukraine has not attempted to acquire nuclear weapons and Russia has provided no evidence to support its claims to the contrary.

Putin over the weekend ordered the Kremlin’s nuclear arsenal to be on heightened alert, a provocative step that officials in the Biden administration and NATO allies called reckless. Military aid to Ukraine and more rounds of sanctions, however, did not waver after the escalation.

Lavrov said that while Russian President Vladimir Putin’s government had been prepared for the series of stringent economic sanctions levied at Russia since the invasion of Ukraine, they had been caught off-guard by sanctions on athletes and personnel.

 

4 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

his geopolitical goals are all about ego. that's what you're missing.

it's entirely ego-driven that he wants to rebuild the Soviet bloc. that others share that goal is shared ego-driven nostalgia. 

Well, you’re wrong on this.

Just now, TEW said:

The US backed a coup to oust a Russia neutral leader for an anti-Russian pro west leader. Talks were already underway to incorporate Ukraine in the EU. This was going to happen, the question was when?

Because the geopolitical landscape isn’t static. The opportunity to take land is rare. Negotiating trade deals is relatively easy. He’s not thinking in terms of years. He’s thinking in terms of decades. Getting Ukraine before it joined NATO was the goal.

Putin’s world view is imperialist.

  now I know you're either trolling or ignorant.

Yanukovych rejected the EU and tried turning Ukraine towards Russia. This is not some debatable fact, it's history. It was a main driver for 2014.

Just now, TEW said:

Well, you’re wrong on this.

k.

2 minutes ago, TEW said:

The US backed a coup to oust a Russia neutral leader for an anti-Russian pro west leader. Talks were already underway to incorporate Ukraine in the EU. This was going to happen, the question was when?

Because the geopolitical landscape isn’t static. The opportunity to take land is rare. Negotiating trade deals is relatively easy. He’s not thinking in terms of years. He’s thinking in terms of decades. Getting Ukraine before it joined NATO was the goal.

Putin’s world view is imperialist.

Imperialism is old. So is the Cold War. Putin is foolish to revive them.

1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

  now I know you're either trolling or ignorant.

Yanukovych rejected the EU and tried turning Ukraine towards Russia. This is not some debatable fact, it's history. It was a main driver for 2014.

k.

Yes, he rejected the EU and then the west backed a coup and installed a pro west leader.

Now we act surprised that Russia was worried they’d join NATO?  

10 minutes ago, Abracadabra said:

Putin has been warning the West about NATO expansion for 15 years. 

The idea the Putin is acting impulsively is pure nonsense.

Cleaning out the criminal cartels and Not-zzz is a gift to the Ukrainian people. 

 

Putin has been invading independent countries for the last 15 years. That's because the Evil Dictator wants to recreate the Soviet Union.

Putin invaded another independent nation, unprovoked. Of course it was impulsive, because he had zero cause to attack them. Putin is solely responsible for this war. 

Yeah, clearing out notzees by bombing the place of Genocide of Jews in WW2 is a good start. I guess Notzee = Jew, Right. Russian Bot.