March 3, 20223 yr What if Putin just drops a nuke on Kyiv? Would Biden have to go through congress to declare war or would it instantly be WW3? Would all of the nuclear nations declare war on Russia? Would it open up more wars between other nations? Would NK decide to try something with SK or somewhere else? Would China take Taiwan or get more ambitious and attack us? It's very unlikely but the "what if" scenarios are kind of mind blowing to think about it The modern nukes are so much more powerful than the ones used in WW2
March 3, 20223 yr Just now, Mike030270 said: What if Putin just drops a nuke on Kyiv? Would Biden have to go through congress to declare war or would it instantly be WW3? Would all of the nuclear nations declare war on Russia? Would it open up more wars between other nations? Would NK decide to try something with SK or somewhere else? Would China take Taiwan or get more ambitious and attack us? It's very unlikely but the "what if" scenarios are kind of mind blowing to think about it The modern nukes are so much more powerful than the ones used in WW2 Yes. But it wouldn't happen. Nuking Ukraine makes no sense from Putin's perspective.
March 3, 20223 yr 57 minutes ago, The_Omega said: https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/why-john-mearsheimer-blames-the-us-for-the-crisis-in-ukraine I think he overstated the impact of NATO/the US/EU and understated Putin’s ambition, but the basic framework and thinking is correct.
March 3, 20223 yr 19 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: He's blaming the victim. If Russia isn't planning invasions the entry of former satellite states into NATO shouldn't matter to Russia. That's like a supposedly reformed thief getting angry at his neighbors for installing security systems. Maybe. I disagree with his assertion that we're to blame for Putin's actions, but I don't completely rule out his claim that we need to at least consider how our actions will be viewed by the regional powers.
March 3, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Yes. But it wouldn't happen. Nuking Ukraine makes no sense from Putin's perspective. Nah, we wouldn’t retaliate with nukes or a full scale conventional war. Again, you don’t escalate to civilizational destruction over Ukraine. But Russia would instantly turn into a hyper North Korean type of isolated state. The international pressure would be beyond anything ever seen. Zero trade or relations with the rest of the world. Even China would be forced to abandon Russia as a partner and every neighboring country would immediately seek a protection pact with NATO. They’d end up completely encircled by hostile militaries.
March 3, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, TEW said: Nah, we wouldn’t retaliate with nukes or a full scale conventional war. Again, you don’t escalate to civilizational destruction over Ukraine. But Russia would instantly turn into a hyper North Korean type of isolated state. The international pressure would be beyond anything ever seen. Zero trade or relations with the rest of the world. Even China would be forced to abandon Russia as a partner and every neighboring country would immediately seek a protection pact with NATO. They’d end up completely encircled by hostile militaries. I completely disagree. It would be WW3. But again, he wouldn't do it because it doesn't serve his end goal to drop a nuke on territory that he considers rightfully his.
March 3, 20223 yr 29 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: He's blaming the victim. If Russia isn't planning invasions the entry of former satellite states into NATO shouldn't matter to Russia. That's like a supposedly reformed thief getting angry at his neighbors for installing security systems. That’s like saying the USSR putting nukes in Cuba shouldn’t mattered to the US because the USSR wasn’t planning a first strike. NATO was literally designed to combat Russia. Having a hostile alliance at your doorstep is a matter of national security for any country. Ukraine joining NATO is a legitimate national security issue for Russia, regardless of how evil you might think Putin or Russia are.
March 3, 20223 yr 44 minutes ago, Outlaw said: Still would take him over Trump. Oh JFC dude. You win. You’re right. I’m wrong. I concede the point. Now, go whack off all over your keyboard or whatever it is you do after you treat every interaction on here like a damn debate team match and you "score a point.” *Brought to you by the Rubio for Prez 2024 coalition.
March 3, 20223 yr Just now, VanHammersly said: I completely disagree. It would be WW3. But again, he wouldn't do it because it doesn't serve his end goal to drop a nuke on territory that he considers rightfully his. Even I don’t think Biden is that stupid. Agreed it won’t happen though.
March 3, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, paco said: I blame Trump. And Obama. And pretty much America. It is really Mark Zuckerberg, Jack Dorsey, and Larry Page's fault.
March 3, 20223 yr Author 12 minutes ago, Kz! said: Sure reads as pro Russia, but he does have Tucker as his saved picture and is calling them NSDAPs so not shocked.
March 3, 20223 yr 21 minutes ago, Kz! said: The biggest issue people are having right now is understanding time. We are so used to instant gratification that people have no internal reference for what an invasion of an entire country looks like. Even the US and it’s allied nations took over a month to take Iraq. And Iraq was smaller with far less support. Its been 8 days and people are acting like because Russia hasn’t achieved total victory that this is somehow going wrong for them. They’re about a week away from completely engulfing 2/3 of the country.
March 3, 20223 yr 36 minutes ago, TEW said: That’s like saying the USSR putting nukes in Cuba shouldn’t mattered to the US because the USSR wasn’t planning a first strike. NATO was literally designed to combat Russia. Having a hostile alliance at your doorstep is a matter of national security for any country. Ukraine joining NATO is a legitimate national security issue for Russia, regardless of how evil you might think Putin or Russia are. Thats nonsense. What has nato ever invaded?
March 3, 20223 yr 38 minutes ago, TEW said: That’s like saying the USSR putting nukes in Cuba shouldn’t mattered to the US because the USSR wasn’t planning a first strike. NATO was literally designed to combat Russia. Having a hostile alliance at your doorstep is a matter of national security for any country. Ukraine joining NATO is a legitimate national security issue for Russia, regardless of how evil you might think Putin or Russia are. It was designed as a defensive bulwark against the Soviet Union. NATO has never threatened to invade Russia, nor is there any political will among the populace or leadership of Western nations to invade Russia. If Poland was to invade Russia, NATO allies are under no obligation to join. Putin doesn't like NATO because it threatens his ability to pick off smaller nations driven by imperial ambitions. Which IS exactly what it's designed to do.
March 3, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, TEW said: The biggest issue people are having right now is understanding time. We are so used to instant gratification that people have no internal reference for what an invasion of an entire country looks like. Even the US and it’s allied nations took over a month to take Iraq. And Iraq was smaller with far less support. Its been 8 days and people are acting like because Russia hasn’t achieved total victory that this is somehow going wrong for them. They’re about a week away from completely engulfing 2/3 of the country. It’s going bad for them as their economy is going in the toilet. I think a ceasefire is definitely a chance. Russian needs to stop the financial hemorrhage from its economy and Ukraine needs to stay a float. next few days will be telling
March 3, 20223 yr 11 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: It was designed as a defensive bulwark against the Soviet Union. NATO has never threatened to invade Russia, nor is there any political will among the populace or leadership of Western nations to invade Russia. If Poland was to invade Russia, NATO allies are under no obligation to join. Putin doesn't like NATO because it threatens his ability to pick off smaller nations driven by imperial ambitions. Which IS exactly what it's designed to do. It goes beyond military intervention. Western style democracies next door is a threat to his style of rule. Citizens see what their neighbors have and start getting ideas that they might like that too.
March 3, 20223 yr 28 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said: Thats nonsense. What has nato ever invaded? It’s not nonsense. NATO literally exists to combat Russia. Acting like NATO poses no strategic threat to Russia is at best completely naive. And let’s be real here… while NATO exists as a mutual protection pact, the fact is that it functions as an extension of the US. We have military bases all over Europe because of it. And the US has a long history of interventionism and preemptive strikes. That’s the reality of geopolitics, and that’s fine, and sometimes necessary, but acting like the US having military bases a few hundred miles from Moscow poses no threat to Russia is just delusional and naive. 19 minutes ago, The_Omega said: It goes beyond military intervention. Western style democracies next door is a threat to his style of rule. Citizens see what their neighbors have and start getting ideas that they might like that too. This too.
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