March 4, 20223 yr I am convinced that another country or countries is helping Ukraine more than what anyone knows...
March 4, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: I gotta admit I find the jingo talk a little weird, both for and against. I mean this is really about solidarity with Europe, not so much a 'Murican moment. But I guess it has felt like a long time since 3/4 of us agree on something this important and this deeply. What I mean is that it just feels like genuinely good cause to support, there's no question in my mind of who the good guys and bad guys are right now. These people actually and desperately want to live free, and it hits me right in the feels.
March 4, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, What The F said: I am convinced that another country or countries is helping Ukraine more than what anyone knows... fo' sure. Odd Putin hasn't flat called it out yet.
March 4, 20223 yr 23 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: It's probably more symbolic than anything right now, but it would provide a degree of economic security and make population movement easier between regions, as well as inextricably tie Western markets to Ukrainian ones, thereby necessitating greater support from the West in times of crisis. I can see the issue with ease of movement, if all Ukrainians are EU citizens, they can just go from country to country fairly easily.
March 4, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, TEW said: That’s the reality. Same reason these pension funds are in all sorts of high risk assets. Sorry to break it to you. I get the motivation for chasing yields even when risk is high. Blaming it on teachers whose salaries are generally crap is missing the mark though.
March 4, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, What The F said: I am convinced that another country or countries is helping Ukraine more than what anyone knows... Well, I've had my suspicions that we have Delta in there, or other super covert teams. If we don't, we should.
March 4, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, What The F said: I am convinced that another country or countries is helping Ukraine more than what anyone knows... oh I'm certain there is a lot more help on the down low going on than is broadly known. some of those loudly supporting Ukraine in surprising ways are also interesting, like Turkey.
March 4, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, What The F said: I am convinced that another country or countries is helping Ukraine more than what anyone knows... Well of course the US probably has special forces like army green berets or CIA SAD deployed. Probably a good amount of material support we don’t know about as well.
March 4, 20223 yr Author 2 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: fo' sure. Odd Putin hasn't flat called it out yet. He is trying to find the rats he has among him right now. US Intel has been on point from the beginning.
March 4, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, VaBeach_Eagle said: Well, I've had my suspicions that we have Delta in there, or other super covert teams. If we don't, we should. We almost certainly do. Probably not DELTA though, they’re generally a direct action unit. Green Berets fit the bill the best IMO.
March 4, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: I get the motivation for chasing yields even when risk is high. Blaming it on teachers whose salaries are generally crap is missing the mark though. No, it hits the target square in bullseye. The public teacher’s union has essentially created the system. It works like this: union collects dues, give dues to politicians, politicians then give union defined benefits instead of salary increases. Everyone wins except the tax payer. It’s incredibly corrupt and these teachers deserve to have their pensions implode on them.
March 4, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, TEW said: We almost certainly do. Probably not DELTA though, they’re generally a direct action unit. Green Berets fit the bill the best IMO. Speaking of Delta, I had a buddy in the Army that was convinced that he was going to qualify to even get into training. He had a GT somewhere around 85 though, and bringing it up didn't seem like a realistic possibility (for him). PT wise, no way would he even make it through hour 1, let alone the entire training period lol. Just a random memory from about 30 years ago... lol
March 4, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: some of those loudly supporting Ukraine in surprising ways are also interesting, like Turkey. You know the saying, politics (geopolitics) make strange bedfellows.
March 4, 20223 yr 53 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said: She’s just gonna call Poland racist She’ll take one look around, see all the white people and think "What is this, Palm Springs?”
March 4, 20223 yr 12 minutes ago, TEW said: Well of course the US probably has special forces like army green berets or CIA SAD deployed. Probably a good amount of material support we don’t know about as well. I'd be really surprised. The risk would be massive. If they're discovered it is either viewed as a provocative escalation with potentially catastrophic consequences, or they're captured and tortured then used as bargaining chips. I know that's the job, but I'm just not convinced that our government would take that risk.
March 4, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said: Speaking of Delta, I had a buddy in the Army that was convinced that he was going to qualify to even get into training. He had a GT somewhere around 85 though, and bringing it up didn't seem like a realistic possibility (for him). PT wise, no way would he even make it through hour 1, let alone the entire training period lol. Just a random memory from about 30 years ago... lol From what I understand you don’t "apply” for delta, they recruit you from rangers and berets. Same kind of thing with DEVGRU… if you have a really good reputation and they think you’ll be a good fit, they’ll come find you. You don’t go find them.
March 4, 20223 yr 17 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: I get the motivation for chasing yields even when risk is high. Blaming it on teachers whose salaries are generally crap is missing the mark though. Nah. It’s their fault
March 4, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, The_Omega said: I'd be really surprised. The risk would be massive. If they're discovered it is either viewed as a provocative escalation with potentially catastrophic consequences, or they're captured and tortured then used as bargaining chips. I know that's the job, but I'm just not convinced that our government would take that risk. Not just that - you’d be essentially sending them to their deaths with no substantial manpower backing them up. It’s a suicide mission.
March 4, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, The_Omega said: I'd be really surprised. The risk would be massive. If they're discovered it is either viewed as a provocative escalation with potentially catastrophic consequences, or they're captured and tortured then used as bargaining chips. I know that's the job, but I'm just not convinced that our government would take that risk. Berets wouldn’t be fighting, they’d be training Ukrainians behind the lines. SAD exists for exactly this purpose. It’s what they do — fight wars with plausible deniability. They’d probably avoid direct confrontation as well, but I could see them doing intel type work, coordinating air strikes, etc. Basically we send in guys to act as force multipliers. Very little risk for a relatively large impact compared to the number of people.
March 4, 20223 yr Just now, Thrive said: Not just that - you’d be essentially sending them to their deaths with no substantial manpower backing them up. It’s a suicide mission. Berets would just be training Ukrainians, not fighting. SAD, yeah, this is what they do. They fight with full knowledge that the US will deny all knowledge. That’s why they are the pinnacle of US spec ops.
March 4, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, pisceschica said: Russian army Looks to me like they are circus performers and the bear is trained part of the act. LOL.
March 4, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, TEW said: From what I understand you don’t "apply” for delta, they recruit you from rangers and berets. Same kind of thing with DEVGRU… if you have a really good reputation and they think you’ll be a good fit, they’ll come find you. You don’t go find them. I never looked into it. I had the GT and an MOS that they'd be able to use (I think), but I knew that I wasn't at a physical level to be able to do it. Of course, an accident screwed up my knees and back, so that alone would have negated any possibility for me.
March 4, 20223 yr 13 minutes ago, The_Omega said: I'd be really surprised. The risk would be massive. If they're discovered it is either viewed as a provocative escalation with potentially catastrophic consequences, or they're captured and tortured then used as bargaining chips. I know that's the job, but I'm just not convinced that our government would take that risk. Agreed. Those teams don't get deployed in a conflict like this unless 1) we need to extract a high value asset or diplomat, 2) we are hunting a high value target, or 3) we need to support our own forces on the ground. Conditions 2 and 3 are out, so that leaves 1, of which only Zelensky would qualify that we know of. Otherwise, as you said, the risk doesn't justify the benefit.
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