March 6, 20223 yr 13 minutes ago, Procus said: Uh huh. Then why no invasion during the Bush administrations? Putin was not ready at that point. That was 15 years ago. Try to stop sucking on Trump's knob. He didn't do a damn thing to stop Putin. It was exactly the opposite.
March 6, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Putin was not ready at that point. That was 15 years ago. Try to stop sucking on Trump's knob. He didn't do a damn thing to stop Putin. It was exactly the opposite. C'mon, you're grasping at straws. We've had incredibly incompetent foreign policy under Obama and Biden. Have you forgotten Obama's fake red line in the sand in Syria which precipitated Russia's action in Crimea? Can you honestly say with a straight face that Biden projects strength? As for Trump - none of knows what was communicated behind the scenes between the Russians and Americans while he was in office. But what we do know is that there was no invasion of Ukraine while he (or Bush) were president. EDITED.
March 6, 20223 yr Just now, Procus said: C'mon, you're grasping at straws. We've had incredibly incompetent foreign policy under Obama and Biden. Have you forgotten Obama's fake red line in the sand in Syria which precipitated Russia's action in Crimea? Can you honestly say with a straight face that Biden projects strength? yeah, that's it. we're the ones grasping at straws.
March 6, 20223 yr Just now, JohnSnowsHair said: yeah, that's it. we're the ones grasping at straws. That's all you got. You're trying to invent reasons why no invasion during Trump or Bush years, but you can't refute the fact that it happened under 2 Democratic administrations, and under 0 Republican administrations.
March 6, 20223 yr Obama: millions of jobs created Trump: millions of jobs lost Biden: millions of jobs created why did Trump kill all the jobs? Obama: no global pandemic Trump: global pandemic Biden: global pandemic ends Why do global pandemics only happen when Trump is in office? Your mind is so simple it actually thinks it has a point when it makes the argument "hurr-durr Putin didn't attack when his buddy Trump was in office, WhY!?!?! Just now, Procus said: That's all you got. You're trying to invent reasons why no invasion during Trump or Bush years, but you can't refute the fact that it happened under 2 Democratic administrations, and under 0 Republican administrations. you can't refute the fact that a global pandemic happened when Trump was in office can you?
March 6, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said: yeah, that's it. we're the ones grasping at straws. Explain to us how Joe Biden projects strength (especially while pooping in pants during a papal visit)
March 6, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Procus said: C'mon, you're grasping at straws. We've had incredibly incompetent foreign policy under Obama and Biden. Have you forgotten Obama's fake red line in the sand in Syria which precipitated Russia's action in Crimea? Can you honestly say with a straight face that Biden projects strength? Were we not talking about Trump? Enough with the "look at the other guy crap". Putin was very happy to sit tight and let Trump cause damage to both NATO and to the US. Once Trump left Putin got down to executing his plan for Ukraine. If you want to talk Biden we can do that in another exchange.
March 6, 20223 yr they're running out of money, so they're not going to try and squeeze citizens directly from their bank accounts. this is going to end well for Putin.
March 6, 20223 yr Just now, JohnSnowsHair said: you can't refute the fact that a global pandemic happened when Trump was in office can you? Nope - and it got much worse under the Biden administration
March 6, 20223 yr Just now, DrPhilly said: Were we not talking about Trump? Enough with the "look at the other guy crap". Putin was very happy to sit tight and let Trump cause damage to both NATO and to the US. Once Trump left Putin got down to executing his plan for Ukraine. If you want to talk Biden we can do that in another exchange. Explain the damage to NATO - was it demanding that other countries pony up their share? Was there a reduction in troop strength? A reduction in weaponry? Go ahead, tell us in detail about all the damage to NATO under Trump.
March 6, 20223 yr Just now, Procus said: Explain to us how Joe Biden projects strength (especially while pooping in pants during a papal visit) Biden actually SHOWS strength. You can see it in his response to this invasion, which has Putin on the ropes. Trump had to try and fake strength because at the end of the day he'd rather withdrawal from the global stage. Again: if Trump was president facing this crisis, he would run away from it. He would make every excuse for his buddy Putin, up to and including supporting his claims that Ukraine is run by neo-not-zees. He believed Putin when Putin told him Ukraine is corrupt. Your stance is laughable.
March 6, 20223 yr Author 3 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: they're running out of money, so they're not going to try and squeeze citizens directly from their bank accounts. this is going to end well for Putin. This is all part of his plan.
March 6, 20223 yr Author 3 minutes ago, Procus said: Nope - and it got much worse under the Biden administration And now it's basically over so would you say Biden administration did that as well?
March 6, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Biden actually SHOWS strength. You do realize you can hate Trump and still not make a total fool of yourself with statements like that. 1 minute ago, DaEagles4Life said: And now it's basically over so would you say Biden administration did that as well? Nope - would you say the Trump administration caused the outbreak to begin with?
March 6, 20223 yr Just now, Procus said: You do realize you can hate Trump and still not make a total fool of yourself with statements like that. tell me, do you think if Putin knew Biden was going to be able to unify western nations and deliver the sanctions he promised that he would have gone into Ukraine? there is zero chance that Trump would have responded more strongly than Biden did. Trump would have undermined the western response you're seeing by claiming that Ukraine isn't in NATO and so the US has no reason to get involved. and you would have been in here parroting his arguments. and without the US backing the response, Ukraine would be without the weapons Biden was getting to Zelenskyy before the invasion, and would likely be in a much tougher spot without the support from the west we're seeing. and Trump would have been privately very satisfied with that because of his personal grudge against Zelenskyy (remember it was the attempted blackmailing of Zelenskyy that Z rejected and that got Trump impeached the first time) and his belief that Ukraine is corrupt.
March 6, 20223 yr 11 minutes ago, Procus said: Explain the damage to NATO - was it demanding that other countries pony up their share? Was there a reduction in troop strength? A reduction in weaponry? Go ahead, tell us in detail about all the damage to NATO under Trump. The relations toward the EU and all EU nations (save maybe the UK) were strained under Trump. For example, do you remember the tariffs Trump enacted against the EU? The leaders of Europe hated Trump. Trump spent his term threatening to pull out of NATO and he caused damage in the relations with all of our close allies that will take years to mend. Just listen to John Bolton in the vid that Moss posted a page back if you want to hear someone on the inside explain what Trump was doing with NATO.
March 6, 20223 yr Trump was an awful president and equally awful person. It takes a deluded mind to still support him.
March 6, 20223 yr 27 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Were we not talking about Trump? Enough with the "look at the other guy crap". Putin was very happy to sit tight and let Trump cause damage to both NATO and to the US. Once Trump left Putin got down to executing his plan for Ukraine. If you want to talk Biden we can do that in another exchange. I posted the article where the SecGen of NATO disagreed with your claim. Beyond that though, what would Putin have done had Trump won re-election? Waited another 4 years?
March 6, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, The_Omega said: I posted the article where the SecGen of NATO disagreed with your claim. Beyond that though, what would Putin have done had Trump won re-election? Waited another 4 years? Putin would have waited as long as Trump was doing Putin's bidding. If that was four more years then yeah, he'd wait. If Bolton was right and if Trump had won then we would have seen NATO crumble under Trump. That seems like the most likely scenario to me had Trump won.
March 6, 20223 yr Just now, The_Omega said: I posted the article where the SecGen of NATO disagreed with your claim. Beyond that though, what would Putin have done had Trump won re-election? Waited another 4 years? The SecGen's comments were literally part of the appeal to Trump's ego to keep him on board. Trump almost withdrew from NATO in 2018. https://academic.oup.com/ia/article/97/6/1863/6384364
March 6, 20223 yr Stop feeding the troll/imbecile. This thread has actually been occasionally useful.
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