March 6, 20223 yr 59 minutes ago, eaglegenius said: I don't remember them doing so. I thought their fleet turned around and returned them to Russia. But go ahead and enlighten us. Despite the enormous tension, Soviet and American leaders found a way out of the impasse. During the crisis, the Americans and Soviets had exchanged letters and other communications, and on October 26, Khrushchev sent a message to Kennedy in which he offered to remove the Cuban missiles in exchange for a promise by U.S. leaders not to invade Cuba. The following day, the Soviet leader sent a letter proposing that the USSR would dismantle its missiles in Cuba if the Americans removed their missile installations in Turkey
March 6, 20223 yr 37 minutes ago, TEW said: No, they wouldn’t have. They didn’t have enough troops or equipment or food and they invaded during the winter. Same problem Napoleon had.
March 6, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, TEW said: We didn’t save them militarily. The overwhelming majority of the fighting and troop deployments took place on the eastern front. This is a historical fact. The Russians took the brunt of the Wehrmacht and pushed them back. BS. Before we entered what happened? Oh yeah...they battled them to a stalemate at best. The end. Then they had to deal with us in Northern Africa and Italy while keeping troops ready for us to enter France. Spin your bull some other place.
March 6, 20223 yr The Russian death toll in WW2 is always staggering to me. 20 million plus or something along those lines. Just insane.
March 6, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: The Russian death toll in WW2 is always staggering to me. 20 million plus or something along those lines. Just insane. Yeah, and then Stalin decided to kill a few million more.
March 6, 20223 yr 14 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: BS. Before we entered what happened? Oh yeah...they battled them to a stalemate at best. The end. Then they had to deal with us in Northern Africa and Italy while keeping troops ready for us to enter France. Spin your bull some other place. When you say "we entered" exactly what are you using for that? Pearl Harbor or D-Day? At the time we started the European ground campaign with D-Day Russia had already reclaimed a good chunk of the land it has lost earlier. For sure the fact that Germany got itself into a two front war (because Hitler was an idiot militarily) was ultimately his downfall. But for sure the bulk of Germany's ground forces were heavily engaged in the east for the majority of the war, without which the landings at D-Day may well have failed. I don't know that it's fair to say we saved them. If you want to argue that if we hadn't entered the war that the Soviets wouldn't have made it to Berlin that may be fair. We had the attention of the Luftwaffe and were bombing Germany up until D-Day which certainly helped the Soviets.
March 6, 20223 yr 16 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: The Russian death toll in WW2 is always staggering to me. 20 million plus or something along those lines. Just insane. Just from the war?
March 6, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, Thrive said: Just from the war? They lost I think twice as many at Stalingrad than we (US) lost in the whole war. Edit: I was way off. Germany lost more than double our total war deaths in Stalingrad. Russia lost over a million.
March 6, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, Thrive said: Just from the war? Keep in mind that's civilians and soldiers but yeah I believe it's somewhere between 20-30 million. Which is still just bonkers to me. That's like 1/4-1/3 the entire population of Germany at the time. The eastern front was unbelievably brutal.
March 6, 20223 yr The above illustrates in part why it would be insane for anyone to invade basically any Slavic country - Ukraine included. Their willingness to die for their country is legendary. The culture is such that it expects men to be willing to lay down their lives for the country, for their Tsar, whatever.
March 6, 20223 yr 12 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: When you say "we entered" exactly what are you using for that? Pearl Harbor or D-Day? At the time we started the European ground campaign with D-Day Russia had already reclaimed a good chunk of the land it has lost earlier. For sure the fact that Germany got itself into a two front war (because Hitler was an idiot militarily) was ultimately his downfall. But for sure the bulk of Germany's ground forces were heavily engaged in the east for the majority of the war, without which the landings at D-Day may well have failed. I don't know that it's fair to say we saved them. If you want to argue that if we hadn't entered the war that the Soviets wouldn't have made it to Berlin that may be fair. We had the attention of the Luftwaffe and were bombing Germany up until D-Day which certainly helped the Soviets. Hitler was an idiot we totally agree. We started in North Africa in May of 1942 and Stalingrad didn't start until August of that year. Yes, the Italian army fell to the British and Rommel had to be sent to clear things up in Early 41, and then things didn't move much until we started Operation Torch in 42, but troops who could have been sent to Stalingrad couldn't go because we were jumping into the fight. So to say that Russia beat the Germans is utter BS. Had we not entered at the very least it would have continued to be a stalemate. There is a direct correlation between us entering the war and the Russians suddenly having some success. Yes, the winter and supply lines played a part and they threw a ton of Russian troops as cannon fodder, but we changed the tide.
March 6, 20223 yr Just now, Diehardfan said: Hitler was an idiot. We started in North Africa in May of 1942 and Stalingrad didn't start until August of that year. Yes, the Italian army fell to the British and Rommel had to be sent to clear things up in Early 41, and then things didn't move much until we started Operation Torch in 42, but troops who could have been sent to Stalingrad couldn't go because we were jumping into the fight. So to say that Russia beat the Germans is utter BS. Had we not entered at the very least it would have continued to be a stalemate. There is a direct correlation between us entering the war and the Russians suddenly having some success. Yes, the winter and supply lines played a part and they threw a ton of Russian troops as cannon fodder, but we changed the tide. Africa was less than a tenth of the eastern front. It was a sideshow to the whole war.
March 6, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Africa was less than a tenth of the eastern front. It was a sideshow to the whole war. OK. Rommel was a walk in the park they couldn't have used other places? The troops and air resources sent there mattered. So did the ones they had to keep in France.
March 6, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: OK. Rommel was a walk in the park they couldn't have used other places? The troops and resources sent there mattered. So did the ones they had to keep in France. Rommel was not considered the best of the Wehrmacht, FYI. That would be von Manstein. Rommel has a great reputation because he was a highly honorable figure who treated his adversaries extremely well. He was good, but not the best of the Germans.
March 7, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Paul852 said: Seriously, is Russia still holding back at this point or do they just suck? The have over 90% of their military in Ukraine, they are not very good but Ukraine is far worse and will lose eventually
March 7, 20223 yr Just now, Joe Shades 73 said: The have over 90% of their military in Ukraine, they are not very good but Ukraine is far worse and will lose eventually Is that true? I thought they only deployed like 200k troops.
March 7, 20223 yr Just now, Paul852 said: Is that true? I thought they only deployed like 200k troops. Think they just have 80-90% of that 200k in Ukraine.
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