5 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

They shot down a submarine. 

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18 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

They shot down a submarine. 

sure, joke about it. meanwhile russia be like .....

 

 

Since Russia is currently unable to control and occupy Ukraine, and their forces are sustaining heavy casualties, how long before Putin orders a call up of the bulk of Russian reserves?

If he does that, the U.S. should declare a NO Fly Zone. 

On 3/5/2022 at 10:35 PM, Procus said:

 

 

What poetic justice it would be for Ukraine to starve Mother Russia by cutting it off from its grain supplies, just like Stalin did to the Ukrainians in the Holodomor. Unfortunately, Putin will just have China cover the losses.

3 hours ago, Kz! said:

Weird if true.

And yet your boys with all that firepower can't beat them. 

 

2 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

What poetic justice it would be for Ukraine to starve Mother Russia by cutting it off from its grain supplies, just like Stalin did to the Ukrainians in the Holodomor.

I'm not gonna root for mass starvation but there's a very good chance this war will lead to rising food prices anyway, and the average Russian citizen, not known for their wealth, will have a very hard time affording it. IDK how much help the Russian state will be in a position to give them either. 

1 minute ago, wyote said:

I'm not gonna root for mass starvation but there's a very good chance this war will lead to rising food prices anyway, and the average Russian citizen, not known for their wealth, will have a very hard time affording it. IDK how much help the Russian state will be in a position to give them either. 

 

Me neither, and actually, I added a caveat that that actually won't happen, because Putin can just look to fellow despot Xi to fill the void.

Just now, EaglesRocker97 said:

Me neither, and actually, I added a caveat that that actually won't happen, because Putin can just look to fellow despot Xi to fill the void.

Xi will make him pay. Nothing will be free. China's had its eyes on Siberian resources for a long time. 

On 3/6/2022 at 8:35 AM, Dave Moss said:

 

 

3 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

so what you're saying is that we should elect Jon Stewart? 

I mean, couldn't be worse than the options in 2020.

2016 and 2020 were the perfect times for the citizens of this nation to pull a Monty Brewster and vote "C:  None of the above". 

We need more than just 2 options. 

1 hour ago, wyote said:

Xi will make him pay. Nothing will be free. China's had its eyes on Siberian resources for a long time. 

 

Sure, but he'll be willing to pay any price to hold on to power. When the state's ability to ensure the adequate supply of foodstuffs to the general population collapses, the collapse of leadership usually isn't far behind, even for brutal authoritarians. Putin doesn't have the cult of personality or advanced enough of a police state to rule through power and loyalty alone like a Stalin or Kim, nor are Russians effectively isolated from the rest of the world to the extent that they accept self-sufficiency as necessary and preferable to globalism. Quite the opposite—the Russian people have more or less enjoyed 30 years of openness with the West through liberal internationalism. You can't put the genie back in the bottle. No matter how much he'd like to think otherwise, Putin doesn't have the iron fist of his forebears. He has to produce real gains for Russian society, and particularly for the big business cabal that he gave life to following the collapse of the Soviet union. Ironically, this may foretell his own demise, because he's trying to pull back from the world after moving the Russian economy forward by reaching out to it. Once the money dries up and there's no food on tables, it won't be long before people at the bottom and the top will be organizing his ouster.

4 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Sure, but he'll be willing to pay any price to hold on to power. When the state's ability to ensure the adequate supply of foodstuffs to the general population collapses, the collapse of leadership usually isn't far behind, even for brutal authoritarians. Putin doesn't have the cult of personality or advanced enough of a police state to rule through power and loyalty alone like a Stalin or Kim, nor are the effectively isolated from the rest of the world to the extent that its accept self-sufficiency as necessary and preferable to globalism. Quite the opposite—the Russian people have more or less enjoyed 30 years of openness with the West through liberal internationalism. You can't put the genie back in the bottle. No matter much he'd like to think otherwise, Putin doesn't have the iron fist of forebears and contemporaries. He has to produce real gains for Russian society, and particularly for the big business cabal that he gave life to following the collapse of the Soviet union. Ironically, this may foretell his own demise, because he's trying to pull back from the world after moving the Russian economy forward by reaching out to it. Once the money dries up and there's no food on tables, it won't be long before people and the bottom and the top will be organizing his ouster.

I won't be surprised if your predictions turn out to be right. 

I would be least surprised if he simply occupies the regions with most of the natural gas, declares victory, and ceases further invasions. 

 

 

Interesting thought on Xi/China:

If we can get China to cut off Russia, then they are completely isolated. So, the question really is -- what can we offer China to throw Putin overboard? How about we repeal all the Trump administration tariffs in exchange for them cutting Russia off? Those tariffs have been largely ineffective in closing the trade gap, but China still wants them gone. Brings China closer to us and isolates Russia at the same time.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

Interesting thought on Xi/China:

If we can get China to cut off Russia, then they are completely isolated. So, the question really is -- what can we offer China to throw Putin overboard? How about we repeal all the Trump administration tariffs in exchange for them cutting Russia off? Those tariffs have been largely ineffective in closing the trade gap, but China still wants them gone. Brings China closer to us and isolates Russia at the same time.

Like the idea but China will probably want assurances the USA won't defend Taiwan. 

Also, in Trump told us that Trade Wars are good for the Country and easily winnable. I guess the Orange Cheeto was wrong. 

 

 

Just now, JohnSnowsHair said:

 

 

Who was it in here that couldn't understand how important the energy line from Russia to parts of Europe was strategically?

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Interesting thought on Xi/China:

If we can get China to cut off Russia, then they are completely isolated. So, the question really is -- what can we offer China to throw Putin overboard? How about we repeal all the Trump administration tariffs in exchange for them cutting Russia off? Those tariffs have been largely ineffective in closing the trade gap, but China still wants them gone. Brings China closer to us and isolates Russia at the same time.

I'd be down to do that. I also don't believe that Putin wants to be in a position where he's a vassal state of China, so while I recognize there is concern that China could soften the effectiveness of the sanctions I think Putin will also not go so far as to become highly dependent on China - which frankly limits Russia's options.

I don't believe China sees Russia as a good investment. But they absolutely want access to Russia's natural resources. 

And that's about the only economic tool Russia has, so giving a chunk of that to China isn't going to be a decision taken lightly.

4 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

 

 

I guess German citizens will need to push the government over time, to get off the Russian Oil boob. 

6 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

Like the idea but China will probably want assurances the USA won't defend Taiwan. 

Also, in Trump told us that Trade Wars are good for the Country and easily winnable. I guess the Orange Cheeto was wrong. 

They're not dumb enough to ask, and we would never grant it. 

I'm not sure why everyone keeps trying to link Ukraine and Taiwan. This dance among us, China and Taiwan has been going on since 1979, and it never changes. None of China's recent activity is really unprecedented. 

2 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

I guess German citizens will need to push the government over time, to get off the Russian Oil boob. 

Oil is only part of the picture. Natural gas is big. 

MedWest would help but probably is only part of the solution.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

They're not dumb enough to ask, and we would never grant it. 

I'm not sure why everyone keeps trying to link Ukraine and Taiwan. This dance among us, China and Taiwan has been going on since 1979, and it never changes. None of China's recent activity is really unprecedented. 

It's mainly driven by a desire to see the world burn so they can blame it on Biden.

I wish I was kidding.

20 hours ago, barho said:

We negotiated their removal.  We removed short/medium range missiles from Poland or Turkey I believe 

 

As I recall, they had the launch sites and delivery systems in Cuba but not the warheads, which were allegedly headed for Cuba when Kennedy imposed the "quarantine." They were effectively prevented from becoming nuclear-capable.

18 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Interesting thought on Xi/China:

If we can get China to cut off Russia, then they are completely isolated. So, the question really is -- what can we offer China to throw Putin overboard? How about we repeal all the Trump administration tariffs in exchange for them cutting Russia off? Those tariffs have been largely ineffective in closing the trade gap, but China still wants them gone. Brings China closer to us and isolates Russia at the same time.

And this is supposed to be one of the "serious" people in the party. Outside of the hundreds of Trump quotes, this might possibly be one of the dumbest things I've heard a politician say.

Proud Band of Ukrainian Troops Holds Russian Assault at Bay — for Now

Michael Schwirtz

Mon, March 7, 2022, 7:32 AM

 

 

 

Locals try to start a Russian tank that was disabled by Ukrainian forces near Mykolaiv, Ukraine, on Sunday, March 6, 2022. (Tyler Hicks/The New York Times)

MYKOLAIV, Ukraine — The remains of a Russian Tigr fighting vehicle sat smoldering on the side of the road, as Ukrainian troops lounged outside their trenches smoking cigarettes. Nearby, a group of local villagers was tinkering with a captured T-90 tank, trying to get it running again so that the Ukrainian army might put it to use.

For three days, Russian forces had fought to take Mykolaiv, but by Sunday, Ukrainian troops had driven them back from the city limits and retaken the airport, halting the Russian advance along the Black Sea, at least temporarily. By Monday morning, Russian forces had resumed their attack.

"Few expected such strength from our people because, when you haven’t slept for three days, and when you only have one dry ration because the rest burned up, when it’s negative temperature out and there is nothing to warm you, and when you are constantly in the fight, believe me, it is physically very difficult,” an exhausted Col. Sviatoslav Stetsenko, of the Ukrainian army’s 59th Brigade, said in an interview. "But our people endured this.”

Taking Mykolaiv remains a key objective for Russian forces, and the thwomp of artillery in the distance Sunday suggested that the Ukrainians had not pushed them back that far. But the unexpected Ukrainian success of defending this critical port, about 65 miles from Odessa, underscores two emerging trends in the war.

Russia’s failure to seize Mykolaiv and other cities quickly, as President Vladimir Putin of Russia appears to have intended, is largely a function of its military’s faltering performance. Russian forces have suffered from logistical snafus, baffling tactical decisions and low morale.

But it is the fierce and, according to many analysts, unexpectedly capable defense by Ukrainian forces, who are significantly outgunned, that has largely stalled the Russian advance and, for now, prevented Mykolaiv from falling into Russian hands.

For three days, troops from the Ukrainian army’s 59th Brigade, together with other military and territorial defense units, have been defending Mykolaiv from Russian attack along several fronts, facing down punishing artillery barrages, helicopter attacks and rocket strikes, some of which have hit civilian neighborhoods.

2 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

And this is supposed to be one of the "serious" people in the party.

She's gonna be shocked when she learns what happened in WW2

On 3/6/2022 at 12:44 AM, mayanh8 said:

Mr Five Dee has been in top form since this started.