March 8, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, Paul852 said: Where is that 40 mile convoy anyway? Protesting on a 40 mile stretch of Ukrainian highway.
March 8, 20223 yr Mean while........... Pentagon asks Supreme Court to block injunction allowing deployment of unvaccinated Navy SEALs
March 8, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, TEW said: The whole Russian cleptocracy is in place because they’re Putin yes men who know they’ll get assassinated if they try to cross him. I hate to break it to you, but all the people who might actually have a chance to supplant Putin would also invade Ukraine and would also see the west as far more of a threat than their fellow oligarchs. Putin is only where he’s at because Yeltsin knew he wouldn’t prosecute him, and he took it and ran with it. Putin doesn’t want to be crossed to lose power, he doesn’t want to be crossed to have his body drug through the street. What it comes down to is money. You keep saying that Ukraine has strategic value for Putin. It doesn’t. At all. Ukraine has zero strategic value for Putin. It’s a calculated political play that is backfiring on him.
March 8, 20223 yr 50 minutes ago, iladelphxx said: Yeah she thinks Russia is going to be attacked first, From reading comments it really is obvious 90% of people just read headlines and never actually read articles "While many around the globe are gravely concerned Putin would resort to nuclear weapons, Baronova is worried his behavior will make Russia the target of a catastrophic attack. "I suspect the Western world will use it," Baronova said. "This is a very dangerous situation."
March 8, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, Bill said: Putin is only where he’s at because Yeltsin knew he wouldn’t prosecute him, and he took it and ran with it. Putin doesn’t want to be crossed to lose power, he doesn’t want to be crossed to have his body drug through the street. What it comes down to is money. You keep saying that Ukraine has strategic value for Putin. It doesn’t. At all. Ukraine has zero strategic value for Putin. It’s a calculated political play that is backfiring on him. You're right about Putin and Yeltsin. Ukraine has value to Putin for its gas. It was posed to become a competitor in the natural gas market. He doesn't want that to happen. Of course he also has a romantic nationalist worldview. It won't be the first time that millions of people die for these things.
March 8, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said: More in the thread. But there's been a sentiment shift. As humiliating as the actual battlefield has been and as punishing as the economic battlefield has been, the route he has taken on the information battlefield might be the most impressive after the events of the last 6 years. Again, Tucker Carslon was parroting his talking points and calling Biden a chickenshite alarmist the night before the invasion. Putin thought he had the west flying blind with misinformation. Now it's his own people succumbing to the west's version of events and he can't arrest them all or keep the leaks out in a tech savvy country.
March 8, 20223 yr 12 hours ago, Diehardfan said: And buying oil from Venezuela and Iran while his press secretary says drilling more here isn't on the table. She never said that.
March 8, 20223 yr 13 hours ago, Diehardfan said: And buying oil from Venezuela and Iran while his press secretary says drilling more here isn't on the table. That's bs. Everything should at least be an option. Your lack of understanding of how the oil economy works is staggering.
March 8, 20223 yr For the ignorant masses in this thread who constantly post or like factually incorrect content about how the US oil economy works... 1. The US has massive amounts of highly leveraged, unused drilling sites that are coming online as a result of rising oil prices. They've been offline because they aren't financially viable when oil prices are low. 2. The US oil fields largely produce "light crude" which is better suited to be refined into gas products BUT 3. The US refineries are a very diversified set of refineries that work best when oil markets are somewhat stable. Gas products are NOT the only petroleum based products that the US depends on. 4. Some refineries produce gas products from light crude while other refineries are configured to produce the base products for things like plastics and asphalt from heavy crude. Because of these things that's why the US will still export and import oil even when gas prices are high... because we only produce a certain type of light crude and don't have the refining capacity to refine it all and need heavy crude as well, which we don't produce.
March 8, 20223 yr 8 hours ago, Bill said: Putin is only where he’s at because Yeltsin knew he wouldn’t prosecute him, and he took it and ran with it. Putin doesn’t want to be crossed to lose power, he doesn’t want to be crossed to have his body drug through the street. What it comes down to is money. You keep saying that Ukraine has strategic value for Putin. It doesn’t. At all. Ukraine has zero strategic value for Putin. It’s a calculated political play that is backfiring on him. This is stupendously ignorant not just of Putin, but of Russian military history in general. Ukraine’s strategic value to Russia predates the 20th century. They have always wanted it as a buffer zone to the west.
March 8, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, mayanh8 said: For the ignorant masses in this thread who constantly post or like factually incorrect content about how the US oil economy works... 1. The US has massive amounts of highly leveraged, unused drilling sites that are coming online as a result of rising oil prices. They've been offline because they aren't financially viable when oil prices are low. 2. The US oil fields largely produce "light crude" which is better suited to be refined into gas products BUT 3. The US refineries are a very diversified set of refineries that work best when oil markets are somewhat stable. Gas products are NOT the only petroleum based products that the US depends on. 4. Some refineries produce gas products while others produce things like plastic. Because of these things that's why the US will still export and import oil even when gas prices are high... because we only produce a certain type of light crude and don't have the refining capacity to refine it all and need heavy crude as well, which we don't produce. You’re missing the financing component.
March 8, 20223 yr 6 hours ago, wyote said: You're right about Putin and Yeltsin. Ukraine has value to Putin for its gas. It was posed to become a competitor in the natural gas market. He doesn't want that to happen. Of course he also has a romantic nationalist worldview. It won't be the first time that millions of people die for these things. The strategic value is as a buffer zone. Russia wants a big plot of land between itself and western adversaries. Really no different than if Russia or China made a defense alliance with Canada or Mexico and started building military bases in those countries. We’d flip out and invade too. No major regional power will sit on its hands and watch as its adversaries start encircling it with military bases a few hundred miles from their capital.
March 8, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, TEW said: You’re missing the financing component. I figured it was covered in #1 but didn't want to get into that whole thing again. I know we went over it ad nauseum a while back.
March 8, 20223 yr 8 hours ago, Bill said: Putin is only where he’s at because Yeltsin knew he wouldn’t prosecute him, and he took it and ran with it. Putin doesn’t want to be crossed to lose power, he doesn’t want to be crossed to have his body drug through the street. What it comes down to is money. You keep saying that Ukraine has strategic value for Putin. It doesn’t. At all. Ukraine has zero strategic value for Putin. It’s a calculated political play that is backfiring on him. Explain the political play. Did Putin actually believe his own lies, that Ukrainians would surrender to the Russian army and welcome them? If so, he's a lot dumber than I thought. I can't fathom why Putin would invade Ukraine. Experts all along said it would be a mistake, it would ruin Russia. That's why Ukraine was mired in civil war since Crimea was annexed and the Donbas revolted. I feel like Putin is threatened by NATO; he saw countries close to Russia choosing self-determination over domination. Ukraine is heading that direction. Those ideas on his border are detrimental to a dictator like Putin. Did he think he saw an opening? Did he think Ukraine and the West was weak, wouldn't resist? I think he grossly miscalculated. 5 minutes ago, TEW said: This is stupendously ignorant not just of Putin, but of Russian military history in general. Ukraine’s strategic value to Russia predates the 20th century. They have always wanted it as a buffer zone to the west. Ukraine (and East Germany, Poland, the Baltics, Hungary, Romania, etc.) were not considered the West 30 some years ago. Ukraine belonged to the Soviet Union for much of the 20th century. Putin does not want Ukraine as a buffer, he wants to control it.
March 8, 20223 yr 17 minutes ago, mayanh8 said: For the ignorant masses in this thread who constantly post or like factually incorrect content about how the US oil economy works... 1. The US has massive amounts of highly leveraged, unused drilling sites that are coming online as a result of rising oil prices. They've been offline because they aren't financially viable when oil prices are low. 2. The US oil fields largely produce "light crude" which is better suited to be refined into gas products BUT 3. The US refineries are a very diversified set of refineries that work best when oil markets are somewhat stable. Gas products are NOT the only petroleum based products that the US depends on. 4. Some refineries produce gas products from light crude while other refineries are configured to produce the base products for things like plastics and asphalt from heavy crude. Because of these things that's why the US will still export and import oil even when gas prices are high... because we only produce a certain type of light crude and don't have the refining capacity to refine it all and need heavy crude as well, which we don't produce. Ban plastic bags and straws nationwide to lower gas prices!!!!
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