March 8, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Paul852 said: Russian oil imports banned in US. Here we go. People say they support ban and are willing to pay higher gas prices but after a few months when the price keeps going up that feeling will change real quick
March 8, 20223 yr 16 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: They have nuclear weapons and we lost to Afghanistan. oh this is like Jeopardy ok.......What are things Vladimir Putin would say
March 8, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said: People say they support ban and are willing to pay higher gas prices but after a few months when the price keeps going up that feeling will change real quick Probably. It would be nice if people could come together in an act of self sacrifice in the name of saving democracy like we did in WW2, but I know that's asking too much.
March 8, 20223 yr 10 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said: People say they support ban and are willing to pay higher gas prices but after a few months when the price keeps going up that feeling will change real quick Prices will eventually settle at a price. They won’t keep going higher
March 8, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, barho said: Prices will eventually settle at a price. They won’t keep going higher Most are not going to accept it settling at the price it is now and it still is going to go higher for awhile
March 8, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Joe Shades 73 said: Most are not going to accept it settling at the price it is now and it still is going to go higher for awhile True, but the moment it’s over it will drop back. Putin can’t keep this up
March 8, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said: We lost to Afgan and even Iraq because we're soft as toilet paper and care about civilians/war crimes If we went in to Afgan like Russia is doing to Ukraine it would take us 3 weeks to own that joint Aside from being a cartoonish simplification of those wars, you can't expect to hold those lands if you pointlessly kill a bunch of their civilians. It was hard enough as it was. If this was just some sort of, "Bomb 'em to the Stone Age!!!" internet tough guy talk, I don't want to interrupt your fun. But if this was meant to be an actual point, it's completely detached from reality and history and logic.
March 8, 20223 yr 25 minutes ago, vikas83 said: No. No it won't. I don't know why I have to keep saying this, but... Oil and gas producers in the US simply can't get traditional bank financing anymore due to the adoption of ESG mandates by banks and large institutional investors. They aren't quite as screwed as coal producers, but it is getting there. Before 2019-ish, these guys could get mid-single digit debt financing in order to bring more capacity online. Remember, shale is a VERY capital intensive business as the wells have short lives -- you need to be constantly drilling. Now, if they can even get financing at all, the cost is double digits, but that financing has to come from specialty lenders that don't take institutional money (e.g., family offices). That overall pool of capital is miniscule in comparison to traditional bank financing markets. If you want the price of gas to go down, start petitioning your pension funds, banks, etc. to drop the ESG madness. I should have been more clear: I was talking about financing of traditional drilling not shale/tight. the number of conventional drilling sites is still about 10% off pre-COVID numbers. this can, and needs to be accelerated, and my assumption (which may be wrong) is that higher oil prices are going to incentivize more investment here: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109332/us-oil-and-gas-rigs-in-use-covid19/
March 8, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said: We lost to Afgan and even Iraq because we're soft as toilet paper and care about civilians/war crimes If we went in to Afgan like Russia is doing to Ukraine it would take us 3 weeks to own that joint It took us 2 months to "own that joint" in 2001.
March 8, 20223 yr Someone should tell the Fox News mathematicians that the war will be entering the 14th day not 13th day
March 8, 20223 yr Quote In nod to Russia, Ukraine says no longer insisting on NATO membership 2022-03-08 17:00:07.940 GMT In nod to Russia, Ukraine says no longer insisting on NATO membership March 8 (AFP) -- President Volodymyr Zelensky said he is no longer pressing for NATO membership for Ukraine, a delicate issue that was one of Russia's stated reasons for invading its pro-Western neighbor. In another apparent nod aimed at placating Moscow, Zelensky said he is open to "compromise" on the status of two breakaway pro-Russian territories that President Vladimir Putin recognized as independent just before unleashing the invasion on February 24. "I have cooled down regarding this question a long time ago after we understood that ... NATO is not prepared to accept Ukraine," Zelensky said in an interview aired Monday night on ABC News. "The alliance is afraid of controversial things, and confrontation with Russia," the president added. Referring to NATO membership, Zelensky said through an interpreter that he does not want to be president of a "country which is begging something on its knees." Russia has said it does not want neighboring Ukraine to join NATO, the transatlantic alliance created at the start of the Cold War to protect Europe from the Soviet Union. In more recent years the alliance has expanded further and further east to take in former Soviet bloc countries, infuriating the Kremlin. Russia sees NATO enlargement as a threat, as it does the military posture of these new Western allies on its doorstep. Shortly before he shocked the world by ordering the invasion of Ukraine, Putin recognized as independent two separatist pro-Russian "republics" in eastern Ukraine -- Donetsk and Lugansk -- that have been at war with Kyiv since 2014. Putin now wants Ukraine, too, to recognize them as sovereign and independent. When ABC asked him about this Russian demand, Zelensky said he was open to dialogue. "I'm talking about security guarantees," he said. He said these two regions "have not been recognized by anyone but Russia, these pseudo republics. But we can discuss and find the compromise on how these territories will live on." "What is important to me is how the people in those territories are going to live who want to be part of Ukraine, who in Ukraine will say that they want to have them in," Zelensky said. "So the question is more difficult than simply acknowledging them," the president said. "This is another ultimatum and we are not prepared for ultimatums. What needs to be done is for President Putin to start talking, start the dialogue instead of living in the informational bubble without oxygen." fff/dw/st -0- Mar/08/2022 17:00 GMT To view this story in Bloomberg click here: https://blinks.bloomberg.com/news/stories/R8FR87073NCX
March 8, 20223 yr 36 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said: We lost to Afgan and even Iraq because we're soft as toilet paper and care about civilians/war crimes yeah, F those stupid civilians. always getting in the way of winning.
March 8, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, mayanh8 said: I posted a primer later in the thread if you're interested. I doubt you'll read it but it's there. Always open to learn and see other perspectives
March 8, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said: We couldnt bomb specific areas that would of helped us win the war and get the bad guys out because of the civilian casualties they would of encored. If we(merica) weren't willing to completely change the landscape oft that nation(eliminate any and all Taliban) we should of never went. No not bomb them back till the stone age crap. But they should of delivered quicker and more of what they did. But that would of resulted in innocent deaths and we werent(for the most part) ok with that So if I understand—your beef is that we didn't eliminate the Taliban. I mean, I don't know how you eliminate a political party/ideology. Best you can do is knock them out of power and hope that it holds up. And in this theory of yours, you need us to kinda disregard the lives of civilians, which means we're creating a new generation of people who actively hate us, which means we'd have to devote even more resources to holding the land. Unless you wanna go full genocide, and folks like you and me can move out there as settlers....growing poppy or whatever, while the rest of the world isolates us. Bringing it back to the topic, I don't see anything in Russia's approach to this war that I want to emulate.
March 8, 20223 yr 25 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said: We couldnt bomb specific areas that would of helped us win the war and get the bad guys out because of the civilian casualties they would of encored. If we(merica) weren't willing to completely change the landscape oft that nation(eliminate any and all Taliban) we should of never went. No not bomb them back till the stone age crap. But they should of delivered quicker and more of what they did. But that would of resulted in innocent deaths and we werent(for the most part) ok with that You’re wrong and we have an historic example proving it. See the USSR in the 80s. Afghanistan is where empires go to die.
March 8, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, 20dawk4life said: How about we tell them to go f themselves. Actually by not calling it a war, they throw shade at Putin. Like "you call that war? 🤣 🤣 🤣 "
March 8, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Joe Shades 73 said: People say they support ban and are willing to pay higher gas prices but after a few months when the price keeps going up that feeling will change real quick Would they feel better if we didn’t do it and Russia still bent us over the barrel?
March 8, 20223 yr 11 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said: 1) we were more worried about them, then our guys over there 2) Thats the cost of war unfortunately. 1) wrong 2) wrong i imagine you're the type of guy who has his own manifesto.
March 8, 20223 yr 31 minutes ago, vikas83 said: President Volodymyr Zelensky said he is no longer pressing for NATO membership for Ukraine, a delicate issue that was one of Russia's stated reasons for invading its pro-Western neighbor. In another apparent nod aimed at placating Moscow, Zelensky said he is open to "compromise" on the status of two breakaway pro-Russian territories Not a surprise.
March 8, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, TEW said: Good post, but I think you are underestimating how close Ukraine was to formal alliances with the west. Certainly this would not have happened one year from now, but EU membership was a real possibility within a few years and from there it would have been an easy transition to NATO. Yeah, because the USSR never invaded anyone. Yeah except that nations with a border dispute can’t enter NATO, which Ukraine has had since 2014.
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