5 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

I was fine with the status quo.

Then Russia invaded.

Now you think Ukraine should roll over for a "strong man".

You're operating from the wrong geopolitical playbook Neville.

You are SOOO concerned about Ukraine.  You're full of it.  Where's all your concern about other hotspots in the world?  You only are concerned about what you're told to be concerned about.  Try some independent thought every now and then.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

It's the bath salts, isn't it?

No - it's called freedom - especially from idiots like you.

2 minutes ago, Procus said:

You are SOOO concerned about Ukraine.  You're full of it.  Where's all your concern about other hotspots in the world?  You only are concerned about what you're told to be concerned about.  Try some independent thought every now and then.

No - it's called freedom - especially from idiots like you.

Trumpbots fleeing other states and congregating in one godforsaken place so they can all get high on bath salts and eat each other's faces off? Sounds like a win-win.

8 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

So just to clarify you're in favor of just letting Russia take Ukraine? No sanctions, no arms nada. 

In favor?  No.  Scot free with no ramifications - no - that would just invite more problems.  But spare me all the tough talk from Western leaders.  And please spare me the 24/7 news coverage.  There are other things going on in the world.

What I'm not in favor is demonizing Putin they way the media has been doing.  It will only cause Russia to dig in its heels.

12 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

JFC, another Florida trumpbot? What is it with you rubes and that state? This explains so much.

 

Buncha softies down there.

3 minutes ago, Procus said:

In favor?  No.  Scot free with no ramifications - no - that would just invite more problems.  But spare me all the tough talk from Western leaders.  And please spare me the 24/7 news coverage.  There are other things going on in the world.

What I'm not in favor is demonizing Putin they way the media has been doing.  It will only cause Russia to dig in its heels.

Totally right, he's the real victim in all this. He's been treated very, very unfairly by the nasty mainstream media. Almost as unfairly as a certain strong leader that was notoriously tough on Russia and would've never let this happen!

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Trumpbots fleeing other states and congregating in one godforsaken place so they can all get high on bath salts and eat each other's faces off? Sounds like a win-win.

Let's see - you can't walk on Walnut street in Center City after dark for fear of getting mugged these days.  Walgreens and Rite Aid shutting down stores in the city because of rampant unprosecuted crime.  Crazy high taxes.

Florida has no income tax.  Is business friendly.  And the weather is beautiful.  But yeah, it's a "godforsaken" place.  Go poll the rest of the country and see where they think is the more godforsaken place - Florida or Philly. 

 

16 minutes ago, Procus said:

Spoken from someone who turns tricks in a bar

Spoken like someone named after a moth.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

Totally right, he's the real victim in all this. He's been treated very, very unfairly by the nasty mainstream media. Almost as unfairly as a certain strong leader that would've never let this happen!

Again, your stupidity shows itself.  It's not about the man Putin.  It's about demonizing the leader of a strong foreign country - whoever that person may be - who can do us a lot of damage.

2 minutes ago, Procus said:

Let's see - you can't walk on Walnut street in Center City after dark for fear of getting mugged these days.  Walgreens and Rite Aid shutting down stores in the city because of rampant unprosecuted crime.  Crazy high taxes.

Florida has no income tax.  Is business friendly.  And the weather is beautiful.  But yeah, it's a "godforsaken" place.  Go poll the rest of the country and see where they think is the more godforsaken place - Florida or Philly. 

One's a state and the other's a city, should we add maps to the list of things you idiots struggle with on a daily basis?

2 hours ago, Procus said:

And the weather is beautiful.

 

This is such an oft-repeated, clueless statement. The weather is beautiful like 4 months out of the year at best and a steaming hellhole the rest of the year.

1 minute ago, Procus said:

Again, your stupidity shows itself.  It's not about the man Putin.  It's about demonizing the leader of a strong foreign country - whoever that person may be - who can do us a lot of damage.

You're right again, he clearly invaded Ukraine because Rachel Maddow said mean things about him. I stand corrected.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

One's a state and the other's a city, should we add maps to the list of things you idiots struggle with on a daily basis?

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

You're right again, he clearly invaded Ukraine because Rachel Maddow said mean things about him. I stand corrected.

He invaded Ukraine because he saw that the White House is not occupied at the moment and realized he could get away with it - much in the same way he got away with taking Crimea in 2014.

Nj has better weather than Florida. 

1 minute ago, Procus said:

He invaded Ukraine because he saw that the White House is not occupied at the moment and realized he could get away with it - much in the same way he got away with taking Crimea in 2014.

Severely brain damaged trumpbot: "We need to mind our own business and not pick a side in this conflict, there are bigger things to worry about!"

Same severely brain damaged trumpbot: "Trump would've taken a stand and not let Putin get away with this!"

8 minutes ago, Procus said:

In favor?  No.  Scot free with no ramifications - no - that would just invite more problems.  But spare me all the tough talk from Western leaders.  And please spare me the 24/7 news coverage.  There are other things going on in the world.

What I'm not in favor is demonizing Putin they way the media has been doing.  It will only cause Russia to dig in its heels.

So in your mind, the "weak" leaders that allowed this war to happen, are being too harsh and aggressive with their reactions to this war?  

Even you see the disconnect here right?

24 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Severely brain damaged trumpbot: "We need to mind our own business and not pick a side in this conflict, there are bigger things to worry about!"

Same severely brain damaged trumpbot: "Trump would've taken a stand and not let Putin get away with this!"

Don't worry, one or two more contradictions and he will dissappear from the discussion for a few days, only to come back and do it again in another topic.

2 minutes ago, Procus said:

You are SOOO concerned about Ukraine.  You're full of it.  Where's all your concern about other hotspots in the world?  You only are concerned about what you're told to be concerned about.  Try some independent thought every now and then.

The best man in my wedding is from Kyiv. So is another groomsman. My colleague and friend of almost 20 years has a degree in Russian literature from Odessa.

So yeah, I actually have reason to be specifically concerned here deekhead.

On 3/14/2022 at 8:45 AM, Toastrel said:

What you also said was they didn't have nuclear missiles until 15-20 years later.

Within 8 years of their first bomb, they were making nuclear missiles. You may have heard of a term; ICBMs. They were a big deal.

I said, "if my memory serves me.” What I was thinking of were their MIRV capable missiles — the ones that posed the greatest threat.

The point still stands though: the Cold War predated USSR nuclear capability.

1 minute ago, TEW said:

I said, "if my memory serves me.” What I was thinking of were their MIRV capable missiles — the ones that posed the greatest threat.

The point still stands though: the Cold War predated USSR nuclear capability.

It failed you miserably, like it always does.

30 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

I was fine with the status quo.

Then Russia invaded.

Now you think Ukraine should roll over for a "strong man".

You're operating from the wrong geopolitical playbook Neville.

The US, EU and NATO definitely agitated for changing the status quo prior to the invasion though. 

I think that’s the part the west doesn’t fully appreciate. It doesn’t excuse Putin’s actions at all, but it does help to explain them.

26 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Totally right, he's the real victim in all this. He's been treated very, very unfairly by the nasty mainstream media. Almost as unfairly as a certain strong leader that was notoriously tough on Russia and would've never let this happen!

Exactly.  Heck, he’s been in power for over 20 years.  He is soooo very oppressed.

 

45 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

JFC, another Florida trumpbot? What is it with you rubes and that state? This explains so much.

The problem in Florida is the balanced Greatest Generation died off and left the Boomers as the retirees, and since they had everything handed to them on a silver platter, they have the resources to retire down here, and they’re mostly MAGAts. 
 

Most of the younger generation in Florida is either SJWs or libertarians, and they’re split about 50/50 from what I can tell anecdotally. 

11 minutes ago, TEW said:

The US, EU and NATO definitely agitated for changing the status quo prior to the invasion though. 

I think that’s the part the west doesn’t fully appreciate. It doesn’t excuse Putin’s actions at all, but it does help to explain them.

Ukraine was not about to join NATO. And even if they were, Ukraine is a sovereign nation with a right to enter into alliances and defend their territory.

I understand the geopolitical explanations Putin has proffered. And I reject them outright, because the West was in no way demonstrating a desire to build up militarily for an invasion of Russia.

And frankly, if it wasn't "NATO aggression", Putin would have manufactured some other excuse for invading. He has done it before, and Kyiv is the birthplace of (Western) Russian culture. 

Tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands, will die because Putin has some delusions of grandeur of becoming some modern day Peter the Great.

46 minutes ago, TEW said:

I said, "if my memory serves me.” What I was thinking of were their MIRV capable missiles — the ones that posed the greatest threat.

The point still stands though: the Cold War predated USSR nuclear capability.

Sure, sure, the non-MIRV missiles were hardly worth talking about, and even are not to this day.

Or so you would have me believe in your lame attempt to, what are you trying to do? You claim you are not supporting Russia, and yet you sure do appear to be doing just that. Making excuses for the inexcusable.

2 hours ago, Procus said:

I see you have no qualms about being bigoted against Russian people.  Bigotry is only taboo when it's against approved, protected groups.  You people are such hypocrites, and bigots.

Okay, Simple Simon.

In this context, the discussion involves Vladmir Putin and his pravda arm, which includes people like you, it would seem. Those are the Russians being discussed. Not Russian workers in Minsk, or anywhere else. Not the Russian people as a whole.

The political entity Russia, that invaded Ukraine, and is currently using people like you to spread their message. I am bigoted against them. They are evil.