February 16, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Procus said: We don't need to support one with our tax dollars. However, we don't need to kill it either and hurt our allies in the region while propping up our adversaries like the Russians, do we? Nice to see somebody on the right admit the Russians are adversaries. Kudos.
February 16, 20223 yr Some Ukrainian websites temporarily knocked offline by cyberattack https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/ukrainian-websites-temporarily-knocked-offline-cyberattack-rcna16328 Quote Several key Ukrainian websites, including those of two of the country’s largest banks and its defense ministry, were temporarily knocked offline Tuesday after an apparent cyberattack. It was not immediately clear who was behind the attacks. Probably not the Russians. Mostly.
February 16, 20223 yr 38 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Nice to see somebody on the right admit the Russians are adversaries. Kudos. Thanks for the kudos, but entirely unnecessary. What the liberal group that you are part of fail to grasp is that our disputes with Russia pale in comparison to what we were facing with the Soviet Union. Russia is not bent on world domination nor is it exporting communism. Our differences with Russia are in large part being used for political purposes by the Democratic party. Incidentally, do you have any reaction to the recent news re the Durham probe regarding the complicity of the Hillary campaign in that Russian collusion nonsense that resulted in the appointment of Mueller? The timing of these tensions re Ukraine are very convenient as they are deflecting the media's focus. Funny, you'll hardly see anything regarding Durham anywhere but conservative news outlets. News should by news, regardless of who it hurts.
February 16, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Toastrel said: Nice to see somebody on the right admit the Russians are adversaries. Kudos. I'm on the right and feel Russia is an adversary. And I definitely don't want us deploying troops to Ukraine...
February 16, 20223 yr 21 minutes ago, Procus said: Thanks for the kudos, but entirely unnecessary. What the liberal group that you are part of fail to grasp is that our disputes with Russia pale in comparison to what we were facing with the Soviet Union. Russia is not bent on world domination nor is it exporting communism. Our differences with Russia are in large part being used for political purposes by the Democratic party. Incidentally, do you have any reaction to the recent news re the Durham probe regarding the complicity of the Hillary campaign in that Russian collusion nonsense that resulted in the appointment of Mueller? The timing of these tensions re Ukraine are very convenient as they are deflecting the media's focus. Funny, you'll hardly see anything regarding Durham anywhere but conservative news outlets. News should by news, regardless of who it hurts. You are right, they were unnecessary. The initial filing was Friday on the Durham business. You pretending this is proof of anything is typical. Somebody said something, you believe it without proof, because it fits your world view.
February 16, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, Outlaw said: I'm on the right and feel Russia is an adversary. And I definitely don't want us deploying troops to Ukraine... Me either. I'm pretty tired of sending US troops to fix other people's crap. I am 100% on board with us fulfilling our duties to our allies, and to groups like NATO.
February 16, 20223 yr 12 minutes ago, Procus said: Thanks for the kudos, but entirely unnecessary. What the liberal group that you are part of fail to grasp is that our disputes with Russia pale in comparison to what we were facing with the Soviet Union. Russia is not bent on world domination nor is it exporting communism. Our differences with Russia are in large part being used for political purposes by the Democratic party. Incidentally, do you have any reaction to the recent news re the Durham probe regarding the complicity of the Hillary campaign in that Russian collusion nonsense that resulted in the appointment of Mueller? The timing of these tensions re Ukraine are very convenient as they are deflecting the media's focus. Funny, you'll hardly see anything regarding Durham anywhere but conservative news outlets. News should by news, regardless of who it hurts. Mueller sure did find a lot of witches connected to Russia, which was doing everything it could to get Trump elected. I know that fact is tough to swallow, but it's indisputable. And the Durham indictment is way overblown. First of all, Trump was president for four freaking years and in control of a DOJ that had at its head a man (Barr) who had his lawyers overturning everything possible, and none of this comes out until now? Yeah, ok. Second, the only thing Durham believe he's found is that Sussman allegedly mislead the FBI about who his employer was when he was providing evidence of Trump's connections to Russia. Sussman claims he was acting on his own, presumably to curry favor with a future Hillary Clinton administration and set himself up for a cushy job. Durham says that he was working on behalf of Clinton's campaign, which he has not proven only alleged. Even National Review's Andrew McCarthy, who's long been devoted to the "Russia collusion was a hoax" admits that: https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/594456-did-durham-find-something-worse-than-watergate-not-so-far Quote Trump supporters have great expectations about special counsel Durham’s probe. They are going to be deeply disappointed. There is no grand Watergate conspiracy, unless top government officials are willfully abusing their power. In Durham’s account, they are guileless victims, hypnotized by Clinton’s machinations. And note that Joffe and top Clinton campaign officials are not charged with defrauding the government. Only Sussmann is indicted, merely for misleading the FBI about the sources of his information; there is no charge that the information itself was fraudulent. What is being missed by Trump sycophants in all this is that nowhere in Durham's probe has he alleged that the evidence provided was actually wrong. What Sussman via Joffe brought to the FBI was that there were DNS lookups to Russian services in the vicinity of the White House and that as a matter of cybersecurity that ought to be looked into because it indicates someone within the administration may have been attempting to access what I believe were phone servers located in Russia. That's literally the sum total of what Sussman informed the FBI of. Fox/etc. want to blow this up into "Hillary had Obama's DOJ spying on Trump OMGz!!!" which is completely false. It's not even close. But that's the narrative they want out there, and you're falling for it because you really want it to be true.
February 16, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: What is being missed by Trump sycophants in all this is that nowhere in Durham's probe has he alleged that the evidence provided was actually wrong. What Sussman via Joffe brought to the FBI was that there were DNS lookups to Russian services in the vicinity of the White House and that as a matter of cybersecurity that ought to be looked into because it indicates someone within the administration may have been attempting to access what I believe were phone servers located in Russia. That's literally the sum total of what Sussman informed the FBI of. How did they know this?
February 16, 20223 yr Just now, Abracadabra said: How did they know this? The assumption is that Rodney Joffe, who has/had a cybersecurity contract with the White House around the time of the transition from Obama -> Trump, obtained this information and passed it to Sussman. What's not clear is when these DNS lookups took place (they may well have been pre-Trump, which would be hilarious), or which machines were the source of those lookups. The whole story is actually a lot more complex than this, but I'm distilling it down as best I can. Nonetheless, the impression you'd get from right-wing sources is as simple as "Hillary somehow had the FBI & CIA conducting spy operations on Trump's campaign and presidency that included wiretaps and listening devices!!" Nothing even remotely close to that has been alleged by Durham or anyone else who's seen the evidence.
February 16, 20223 yr 20 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Me either. I'm pretty tired of sending US troops to fix other people's crap. I am 100% on board with us fulfilling our duties to our allies, and to groups like NATO. 100% agreed. Now China v Taiwan would be a different story.
February 16, 20223 yr 36 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Mueller sure did find a lot of witches connected to Russia, which was doing everything it could to get Trump elected. I know that fact is tough to swallow, but it's indisputable. And the Durham indictment is way overblown. First of all, Trump was president for four freaking years and in control of a DOJ that had at its head a man (Barr) who had his lawyers overturning everything possible, and none of this comes out until now? Yeah, ok. Second, the only thing Durham believe he's found is that Sussman allegedly mislead the FBI about who his employer was when he was providing evidence of Trump's connections to Russia. Sussman claims he was acting on his own, presumably to curry favor with a future Hillary Clinton administration and set himself up for a cushy job. Durham says that he was working on behalf of Clinton's campaign, which he has not proven only alleged. Even National Review's Andrew McCarthy, who's long been devoted to the "Russia collusion was a hoax" admits that: https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/594456-did-durham-find-something-worse-than-watergate-not-so-far What is being missed by Trump sycophants in all this is that nowhere in Durham's probe has he alleged that the evidence provided was actually wrong. What Sussman via Joffe brought to the FBI was that there were DNS lookups to Russian services in the vicinity of the White House and that as a matter of cybersecurity that ought to be looked into because it indicates someone within the administration may have been attempting to access what I believe were phone servers located in Russia. That's literally the sum total of what Sussman informed the FBI of. Fox/etc. want to blow this up into "Hillary had Obama's DOJ spying on Trump OMGz!!!" which is completely false. It's not even close. But that's the narrative they want out there, and you're falling for it because you really want it to be true. Trump has always claimed without evidence that he was spied on. Just because some lawyer is also claiming this without evidence doesn't really move the bar much.
February 16, 20223 yr Just now, Gannan said: Trump has always claimed without evidence that he was spied on. Just because some lawyer is also claiming this without evidence doesn't really move the bar much. Durham isn't even alleging there was spying. All he's alleging, literally the sum total, is that Sussman lied to the FBI about whether or not he was acting on behalf of the Clinton campaign. That's really it. They're not saying the evidence or information was wrong. They're not saying that Trump was being "spied" on. (he wasn't.) They're not saying that DNS lookups to Russian servers didn't happen. (if you're not technical at all, that basically amount to them coming to the FBI with the knowledge that, say, somebody might have pulled up pee-pee-ladies.ru* in a web browser, but they would not know what was exchanged. and no the actual site wasn't pee-pee-ladies.ru [as far as we know] but supposedly a site accessed by a Russian made YotaPhone may have been in the White House) That isn't stopping Fox/etc., and people who either know nothing or don't care about actual facts from running with a story that this is somehow tantamount to spying on Trump.
February 16, 20223 yr I'm just hoping that real info was given to the FBI, and that they do something with it. Doubtful, I know. A hacker got sick of North Korean hacking (they hacked him, trying to steal his tools), and the lack of any US action on it. So he took down their Internet.
February 16, 20223 yr Ukraine cyberattack is largest of its kind in country's history, says official https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/16/europe/ukraine-cyber-attack-denial-service-intl/index.html Prolly just a coinky-dink.
February 16, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Toastrel said: (they hacked him, trying to steal his tools), Bastages
February 17, 20223 yr Quote "The shelling of a kindergarten in Stanytsia Luhanska by pro-Russian forces is a big provocation,” Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Thursday on Twitter. "It’s important that diplomats and the OSCE [Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe] remain in Ukraine, [as] their monitoring activities are an additional deterrent.” Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense later said that shelling had stopped as of 1 p.m. local time, according to Reuters. Earlier Thursday, the Ukrainian Joint Forces Operation said on Facebook that pro-Russian separatists had shelled 22 settlements in the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine, with civilians and military personnel sustaining injuries. "A total of 32 shells were fired by terrorists,” the statement said. "The shelling damaged kindergartens and communal infrastructure — half of the village was left without electricity.” Ah, yes, the 'accidental' Russian shelling in Donbas. Oh Vlad.
February 17, 20223 yr 30 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Ah, yes, the 'accidental' Russian shelling in Donbas. Oh Vlad. Republicans should be along soon to tell us why these kindergarteners had it coming.
February 17, 20223 yr 11 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Republicans should be along soon to tell us why these kindergarteners had it coming. Well, with all the liberal war mongers DEMANDING troops in Ukraine, can you really be surprised?
February 17, 20223 yr The Ukrainian "army" lost to the freedom fighters in the Donbas before and they'll lose again.
February 17, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Abracadabra said: The Ukrainian "army" lost to the freedom fighters in the Donbas before and they'll lose again.
February 17, 20223 yr Russia has expelled America's second most senior official at the US Embassy in Moscow. LINK Quote US diplomat expelled The State Department confirmed Thursday that Russia had expelled a top American diplomat, U.S. Deputy Chief of Mission Bart Gorman, the second most senior official stationed at the U.S. Embassy in Moscow. Gorman was expelled last week, according to an embassy spokesperson. "Russia’s action against our (deputy chief of mission) was unprovoked and we consider this an escalatory step and are considering our response,” a State Department spokesman said.
February 17, 20223 yr Blinken made a statement before UN Security Council regarding Putin's plans to invade Ukraine.
February 17, 20223 yr 22 hours ago, Toastrel said: You are right, they were unnecessary. The initial filing was Friday on the Durham business. You pretending this is proof of anything is typical. Somebody said something, you believe it without proof, because it fits your world view. Oh I'd love to dig up your old posts when the Mueller investigation was in full swing.
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