1 minute ago, Kz! said:

You want weird:

 Weird is one in three Americans being willing to risk nuclear destruction over a conflict in Eastern Europe. That's weird to me. 

Any move we make is technically "risking nuclear war".  I realize the far right doesn't see creeping fascist authoritarianism as a bad thing, but most of Americans do.

2 hours ago, mayanh8 said:

If Russia comes out of this with no land bridge to Crimea and with Zelensky still in power... 

I mean... what will they have gotten for their efforts? Pre-war status quo, a global embarrassment of an attempted invasion, and a cratered economy?

I can't see Putin agreeing to this.

If they agree to that I'll bet the farm that once Russia gets its s*** together they will just try again.

6 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Meh, read the thread. With the Ukraine prop being shared in here it sounded like Russia was going to be sent packing any moment. Instead, Ukraine is literally begging Biden to start WW3 on its behalf. 

"Literally" nothing being shared here has suggested Russia will be sent packing. 

At most some are starting to think Russia might not win. But the baseline has always been "Russia will win eventually, even if they level the country to do it"

11 minutes ago, paco said:

If they agree to that I'll bet the farm that once Russia gets its s*** together they will just try again.

Yeah I could imagine a scenario where Russia temporarily withdraws, licks its wounds, learns some lessons, and goes right back at it a a few years later.

 

12 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

"Literally" nothing being shared here has suggested Russia will be sent packing. 

At most some are starting to think Russia might not win. But the baseline has always been "Russia will win eventually, even if they level the country to do it"

KZ is one of tens of millions of Americans who will tickle their bellies with glee when the European democracy of Kyiv falls.  To own the libs.  

12 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

Yeah I could imagine a scenario where Russia temporarily withdraws, licks its wounds, learns some lessons, and goes right back at it a a few years later.

If that's the case, then Ukraine and the west better plan on turning their back on any agreement made with Russia and immediately allowing Ukraine into NATO.

3 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

Yeah I could imagine a scenario where Russia temporarily withdraws, licks its wounds, learns some lessons, and goes right back at it a a few years later.

which is why I don't know that Ukraine can or should entertain any ceasefire deal that would prevent them from entering into a defensive alliance, even if it's not NATO. Poland, the Baltics, and Ukraine for example. 

I have no idea if it would make sense, but maybe even having a different class of membership in NATO where maybe Ukraine doesn't get any bases manned by non-Ukrainian personnel, a "lite" version of NATO membership that merely promises if Ukraine is attacked NATO allies will come to its aide. No joint exercises with NATO, no contribution of forces directly, merely a statement to Russia that says "if you try to invade we WILL get involved"

Russian drone ‘shot down after flying into NATO airspace’

https://news.yahoo.com/putin-drone-shot-down-after-flying-into-nato-airspace-100345543.html

 

Thankfully, it was shot down in Ukraine, by the Ukrainians. Putin is pushing to start some crap with the rest of the world.

24 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

KZ is one of tens of millions of Americans who will tickle their bellies with glee when the European democracy of Kyiv falls.  To own the libs.  

lol Ukraine was a democratic paradise fo sho!  

1 hour ago, Kz! said:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/zelensky-invokes-911-pearl-harbor-attacks-during-speech-to-congress-135049928.html

"Come on, US, start WW3 for me."

So you actively support the deaths of millions of people. Kudos. 

1 minute ago, jsdarkstar said:

So you actively support the deaths of millions of people. Kudos. 

lol wat

Just saw that Servant of the People is coming back to Netflix.

'We all will be judged.' Russian prisoners of war voice disquiet, shame over war in Ukraine

Kyiv, Ukraine (CNN)"I want to tell our commander-in-chief to stop terror acts in Ukraine because when we come back we'll rise against him."

Russian President Vladimir Putin "has given orders to commit crimes. It's not just to demilitarize Ukraine or defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but now cities of peaceful civilians are being destroyed."
"The crimes that we committed; we all will be judged."

These are the voices of Russian prisoners of war now held by Ukraine.

 

Exclusive: Secret CIA training program in Ukraine helped Kyiv prepare for Russian invasion

https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-secret-cia-training-program-in-ukraine-helped-kyiv-prepare-for-russian-invasion-090052743.html

 

As part of the Ukraine-based training program, CIA paramilitaries taught their Ukrainian counterparts sniper techniques; how to operate U.S.-supplied Javelin anti-tank missiles and other equipment; how to evade digital tracking the Russians used to pinpoint the location of Ukrainian troops, which had left them vulnerable to attacks by artillery; how to use covert communications tools; and how to remain undetected in the war zone while also drawing out Russian and insurgent forces from their positions, among other skills, according to former officials.

 

1 hour ago, DaEagles4Life said:

 

Some reporters. FFS

"When they blew your legs off, was it uncomfortable to wake up without them?"

1 hour ago, DaEagles4Life said:

 

I've never met more than a couple Ukrainians in my life, but I'm starting to wish I did. 

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I've never met more than a couple Ukrainians in my life, but I'm starting to wish I did. 

I'm a 25% Ukrainian

 

 

What a time to start practicing a cringey standup comedy routine. 

Russian Notzee atrocity crimes.

U.S. says Russian troops "killed 10 people standing in line for bread"

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-says-russian-troops-killed-133100641.html

The U.S. Embassy in Ukraine said Russian troops "shot and killed 10 people standing in line for bread" on Wednesday in the decimated northeast Ukrainian city of Chernihiv. 

 

 

57 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I've never met more than a couple Ukrainians in my life, but I'm starting to wish I did. 

Wife's boss is married to a Ukrainian. Her entire family is still there

Jesus Christ.