February 17, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Maybe presidents shouldn't go on tv and tell America they fired the head of the FBI because he was investigating his campaign. Let's see how all this shakes out with the Durham probe and who was really culpable. And that's not a defense of Trump's handling of Comey's dismissal - it's a critique of the behavior of the Democratic powers that be.
February 17, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Did you miss the Benghazi hearings..??? You mean a special counsel was appointed because of Benghazi? And for that matter, tell us again about the Youtube video
February 17, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Procus said: You mean Russia took over Crimea while Trump was president? Russia was overly aggressive in its foreign policy during the Trump admin? I look at actions and results on the ground over words to see who is protecting American interests better. In my book, handling such matters quietly and through diplomacy behind the scenes is always the better move.
February 17, 20223 yr Just now, Alpha_TATEr said: And how would have you reacted had that happened during Trump's administration? Because we see what a hawk you people are on Russia - allegedly.
February 17, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, Procus said: You mean Russia took over Crimea while Trump was president? Russia was overly aggressive in its foreign policy during the Trump admin? I look at actions and results on the ground over words to see who is protecting American interests better. In my book, handling such matters quietly and through diplomacy behind the scenes is always the better move. Right. Because Obama invaded Crimea. Putin's aggression is every other leader's fault. If Trump wouldn't have let Russia get its way for 4 years, Putin wouldn't have the audacity to make demands such as forbidding Ukraine to join NATO, or demanding NATO forces be pulled back from Eastern Europe. Playing this matter quietly means Putin gets to control the narrative, spread disinformation against Ukraine, and he ultimately gets his way. NATO alliance is weakened. Instead Biden met him head on and it's working. The lens is on Putin, he must defend every move he makes. Your problem is Biden cannot get a win, even when he's winning.
February 17, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Procus said: And how would have you reacted had that happened during Trump's administration? Because we see what a hawk you people are on Russia - allegedly. NOBODY WANTS TO ATTACK RUSSIA. Agreeing that the USA should honor commitments to NATO is not warmongering. Saying that Russia invading the Ukraine is not a good thing, is also not warmongering. I recognize them as global adversaries. The cold war is over, but the Russians are still very much a world aggressor. Sadly we used to have a clean conscience there, then a bunch of puss-bags chose to invade Iraq over 9-11. Which is like invading Mongolia over Pearl Harbor.
February 17, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, toolg said: Right. Because Obama invaded Crimea. Putin's aggression is every other leader's fault. If Trump wouldn't have let Russia get its way for 4 years, Putin wouldn't have the audacity to make demands such as forbidding Ukraine to join NATO, or demanding NATO forces be pulled back from Eastern Europe. Playing this matter quietly means Putin gets to control the narrative, spread disinformation against Ukraine, and he ultimately gets his way. NATO alliance is weakened. Instead Biden met him head on and it's working. The lens is on Putin, he must defend every move he makes. Your problem is Biden cannot get a win, even when he's winning. This x1000 Their hatred for Democrats supersedes their allegiance to America. By far.
February 17, 20223 yr 18 minutes ago, Procus said: Let's see how all this shakes out with the Durham probe and who was really culpable. And that's not a defense of Trump's handling of Comey's dismissal - it's a critique of the behavior of the Democratic powers that be. that is ef'ing rich after Trump spent four years treating the DoJ as his personal defense lawyer.
February 17, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said: that is ef'ing rich after Trump spent four years treating the DoJ as his personal defense lawyer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Trump_administration_dismissals_and_resignations For your perusal. A list of Trump admin firings and resignations.
February 17, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: This x1000 Their hatred for Democrats supersedes their allegiance to America. By far. Incidentally, I understand that you personally made out pretty well during those Trump years. How's that boat? Yah, really hates America.
February 17, 20223 yr Just now, Procus said: Incidentally, I understand that you personally made out pretty well during those Trump years. How's that boat? Yah, really hates America. Not sure what my boat has to do with you hating America, but I actually got the boat during the Biden years. I was unfortunately let go at the beginning of the Trump administration (as was pretty much everyone I know). My boss said it had to do with Trump's weak leadership (his words, not mine). But then, around the time of Biden's inauguration, I was rehired at 10x my salary and I bought the boat.
February 17, 20223 yr 17 minutes ago, Toastrel said: NOBODY WANTS TO ATTACK RUSSIA. Agreeing that the USA should honor commitments to NATO is not warmongering. Saying that Russia invading the Ukraine is not a good thing, is also not warmongering. I recognize them as global adversaries. The cold war is over, but the Russians are still very much a world aggressor. Sadly we used to have a clean conscience there, then a bunch of puss-bags chose to invade Iraq over 9-11. Which is like invading Mongolia over Pearl Harbor. From where I'm sitting, 9-11 was the pretext for invading Iraq - not the cause. More like a combination of perceived unfinished business combined with lucrative no-bid contracts for private interests connected to the WH. And don't forget how the war affected the price of oil. Many people made a LOT of money from that war.
February 17, 20223 yr 32 minutes ago, Procus said: And how would have you reacted had that happened during Trump's administration? Because we see what a hawk you people are on Russia - allegedly. explain your preconceived notion here please.
February 17, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, Procus said: From where I'm sitting, 9-11 was the pretext for invading Iraq - not the cause. More like a combination of perceived unfinished business combined with lucrative no-bid contracts for private interests connected to the WH. And don't forget how the war affected the price of oil. Many people made a LOT of money from that war. I'm horrified to find myself agreeing with everything you just said.
February 17, 20223 yr Russia expels No. 2 American official in Moscow, U.S. weighs response https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-expels-uss-second-highest-official-embassy-moscow-us-state-department-2022-02-17/ There goes Biden again, provoking Russia.
February 17, 20223 yr One week from today headlines, invasion Imminent, 2 weeks from today headlines, invasion Imminent, 3 weeks from today headlines Super Omicron could take over, all being played for fools, media needs clicks and viewers to make money, real news is gone
February 18, 20223 yr Could do without the music, but good succinct summary of how Putin has been operating here: Biden has played this pretty well so far. He isn't giving in to Russia's stated demands. The Minsk protocol is not going to go forward while Russia continues to provide aid to pro-Russian terrorists in Eastern Ukraine (who today shelled a kindergarten). We're not committed to war but Russia will spill a lot of blood and feel a lot of economic pain from a united West if he proceeds. If Trump was president he'd probably sit back, tell Europe it's their problem, and let Russia roll Ukraine. Because he's spineless.
February 18, 20223 yr 20 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: This is shaping into Biden's biggest win as POTUS by a mile. Republicans, Tucker and Trump in particular are looking like commie appeasement cucks in comparison.
February 18, 20223 yr https://www.gov.uk/government/news/joint-statement-by-the-united-kingdom-poland-and-ukraine-17-february-2022 Joint statement by the Secretary of State for Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Affairs of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Poland and Minister for Foreign Affairs of Ukraine: The United Kingdom, Poland and Ukraine enjoy deep historical ties, built on shared values, a shared commitment to peace and security and a shared history of standing together against aggressors who threaten freedom in Europe. We reiterate that each European State is free to choose or change its security arrangements, including treaties of alliance, and no State can consider any part of Europe as its sphere of influence. Our 3 nations will intensify our joint work to safeguard stability and build resilience in Ukraine, strengthening democracy at the frontier in Eastern Europe. To this end, we agreed today to develop a Trilateral Memorandum of Co-operation. This will demonstrate our commitment to further strengthening the strategic cooperation and engagement between our 3 nations on the highest priority issues in support of Ukraine. We will work together to advance our cooperation, which includes but not limited to co-ordinating support to the International Crimea Platform, increasing our collaboration on cyber security, energy security, and boosting strategic communications to counter disinformation. The UK and Poland will continue to provide Ukraine with support, standing in unity with Ukraine, in the face of ongoing Russian aggression, and fully committed to stand with Ukrainian nation in its efforts aimed at defending Ukraine’s sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity within its internationally recognized borders. 9 hours ago, dawkins4prez said: This is shaping into Biden's biggest win as POTUS by a mile. Republicans, Tucker and Trump in particular are looking like commie appeasement cucks in comparison. It is. But presidents don't generally get much bounce one way or the other for good foreign relations.
February 18, 20223 yr East Ukraine sees its worst shelling in years https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/shelling-breaks-out-east-ukraine-west-moscow-dispute-troop-moves-2022-02-17/ Quote A diplomatic source with years of direct experience of the conflict described the shelling over the past two days as the most intense along the frontline in eastern Ukraine since major combat there ended with a 2015 ceasefire. This is not how victory looks to me. Cue accidental incursion by 25,000 Russian troops. They will be looking for some missing mortar shells.
February 18, 20223 yr Russia is amassing troops on the border, as shelling continues and evacuations are being planned in Donetsk
February 18, 20223 yr 12 minutes ago, toolg said: Russia is amassing troops on the border, as shelling continues and evacuations are being planned in Donetsk Tool, not disputing the accuracy of what you said, but you did cite two sources, CNN and the Moscow Times, which are known for credibility issues. Moscow Times is known for its hardline anti-Putin stance.
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