February 21, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, Abracadabra said: Victoria Nuland was in Kyiv handing out cookies hours before the coup to overthrown democratically elected leader. Yea, the CIA installed their puppet. no space in that tiny Russian head of yours to consider that Ukrainians just didn't want to be a puppet state of Russia anymore and preferred a step towards Western culture?
February 21, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: no space in that tiny Russian head of yours to consider that Ukrainians just didn't want to be a puppet state of Russia anymore and preferred a step towards Western culture? Why not vote that way, you know, like a democracy. Instead, Western back neo-not-z overthrew the duly elected government and imposed a U.S. puppet. How does that set with you? Your government is allied with neo-not-z scum. Are you proud?
February 21, 20223 yr 32 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said: So today's actual news, Russia will control the east which it pretty much already did. Putin will not invade all of Ukraine and NATO will not be unified on sanctions. Of course watching the garbage TV news channels they are only interested in still pushing the invasion is imminent nonsense so people won't turn off the TV. People are bored with Covid so what else is there? He has declared that he will now basically control Eastern Ukraine. He's effectively saying "it's mine. not yours." Ukraine might have something to say about that. Which is what Russia is doing: they're daring Ukraine to make the next move. A viewpoint that doesn't originate with Kremlin talking points or Russian State Media might read this as "Russia failed to draw Ukraine in with their terrible attempts false-flag operations, so now they're just going to say "it's ours" and dare Ukraine to be the "invading" force".
February 21, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: He has declared that he will now basically control Eastern Ukraine. He's effectively saying "it's mine. not yours." Ukraine might have something to say about that. Which is what Russia is doing: they're daring Ukraine to make the next move. A viewpoint that doesn't originate with Kremlin talking points or Russian State Media might read this as "Russia failed to draw Ukraine in with their terrible attempts false-flag operations, so now they're just going to say "it's ours" and dare Ukraine to be the "invading" force". And Ukraine is not going to do anything, Europe will be split on sanctions. Do people realize when Putin speaks on TV like that it is for domestic consumption, he is smart, he not crazy and does not believe Ukraine will be part of NATO and he is not going to invade Ukraine but the loons on tv are saying tonight he will invade, when he doesn't these people will still be paid to put out false information
February 21, 20223 yr Notice how the Minsk agreements are suddenly top priority for the Imperialists? Not a word from them for eight years when Ukraine routinely ignored it's provisions and now they are sacrosanct.
February 21, 20223 yr 11 minutes ago, Abracadabra said: Why not vote that way, you know, like a democracy. Instead, Western back neo-not-z overthrew the duly elected government and imposed a U.S. puppet. How does that set with you? Your government is allied with neo-not-z scum. Are you proud?
February 21, 20223 yr 15 minutes ago, Abracadabra said: Why not vote that way, you know, like a democracy. Instead, Western back neo-not-z overthrew the duly elected government and imposed a U.S. puppet. How does that set with you? Your government is allied with neo-not-z scum. Are you proud?
February 21, 20223 yr I think Putin is going to invade. His goal is to put the Soviet Bloc back together (not the system of government, just the territory), and this weak, incompetent administration is the best chance he’s gonna get. There’s another piece to this puzzle that everyone seems to be ignoring though. Putin’s invasion of Ukraine would be the perfect distraction for Xi to make a move on Taiwan. If the dominoes start falling, we could be in for some very dark times.
February 21, 20223 yr 26 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: "it's mine. not yours." As simple as it gets
February 21, 20223 yr Just now, The_Omega said: I think Putin is going to invade. His goal is to put the Soviet Bloc back together (not the system of government, just the territory), and this weak, incompetent administration is the best chance he’s gonna get. There’s another piece to this puzzle that everyone seems to be ignoring though. Putin’s invasion of Ukraine would be the perfect distraction for Xi to make a move on Taiwan. If the dominoes start falling, we could be in for some very dark times. What more, exactly, do you want the US to do here? We've supplied Ukraine with significant military supplies, we've communicated clearly the sanctions Russia will endure if they invade, and we've committed 8,500 troops to NATO. Short of us actually mobilizing our military and moving troops inside Ukraine's border (which I don't believe Ukraine even wants) what exactly do you think can be done? I know you like to think that the former president who undercut US intelligence in Helsinki while standing next to Putin was somehow "tough on Russia", but let's not forget how hard he tried to ease the economic pain his buddy Putin was feeling, and that it took a veto-proof bill to stop him from easing sanctions on Russia literally months after entering office (https://www.lawfareblog.com/president-trump-releases-signing-statement-accompanying-sanctions-bill), and in his statements he indicated that he didn't think this bill was good and that enforcement - at least on the Russian portion - would be lax. But I'm sure you missed that part.
February 21, 20223 yr The first step would have been to not bless the pipeline. Once Biden gave him that he took any chance of German opposition off the table and gave Putin the green light to do whatever he wants. And here we are.
February 21, 20223 yr You don’t have to agree with the premise. I do think you should watch it, though:
February 21, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, The_Omega said: The first step would have been to not bless the pipeline. Once Biden gave him that he took any chance of German opposition off the table and gave Putin the green light to do whatever he wants. And here we are. Yeah, this completely avoidable situation is funny. Enjoy the laughs.
February 21, 20223 yr 13 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said: Yeah this will show Putin who is boss If Sanctions aren't enough for you, then when are you going to Ukraine and joining with them, to Fight Putin and the Russian Army?
February 21, 20223 yr Just now, jsdarkstar said: If Sanctions aren't enough for you, then when are you going to Ukraine and joining with them, to Fight Putin and the Russian Army? These are not real sanctions.
February 21, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, The_Omega said: The first step would have been to not bless the pipeline. Once Biden gave him that he took any chance of German opposition off the table and gave Putin the green light to do whatever he wants. And here we are. The Nordstream 2 pipeline is already done. It's been built and even filled with gas for quite a while now, regardless of the US's opposition to it. That fight was over by the time Biden took office, our ability to stop it was and is limited. Biden acquiesced because it was the only move left.
February 21, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Joe Shades 73 said: These are not real sanctions. Ok. So then what do you suggest? Maybe Biden should go on T.V. and announce that Ukraine is now a member of NATO and any attack on Ukraine will draw a NATO Military Response. Is that strong enough for you?
February 21, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, The_Omega said: Yeah, this completely avoidable situation is funny. Enjoy the laughs. Nord Stream 2 was a done deal years ago. Its completion was and is unavoidable. I know you love making everything about who is in office, and most especially about Republican vs Democrat, but nobody in the US on either side wanted to see it done. And both sides spent the last decade doing what could be done to oppose it. But Germany was committed to it. Merkel was not going to be denied this, as has been clear for years. It proceeded despite Trump putting as much pressure as he could. Whether or not Biden waived sanctions it was going to be completed and put into operation.
February 21, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: Ok. So then what do you suggest? Maybe Biden should go on T.V. and announce that Ukraine is now a member of NATO and any attack on Ukraine will draw a NATO Military Response. Is that strong enough for you? You are an idiot goodbye
February 21, 20223 yr I guess I can't open a yogurt shop in Eastern Ukraine now, I mean that is the extent of sanctions that are possible before Ukraine joining NATO according to some
February 21, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Nord Stream 2 was a done deal years ago. Its completion was and is unavoidable. Props for googling it and correcting one of your lies after you’d originally posted it. Fact is that, regardless of what was built, it wasn’t a done deal until Biden blessed it. Who was that guy that was crowing about posters here not rushing to defend every indefensible thing that Pop Pop does? Oh yeah, you. Usually the 1st to rush in and defend every indefensible thing that Pop Pop does.
February 21, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said: I guess I can't open a yogurt shop in Eastern Ukraine now, I mean that is the extent of sanctions that are possible before Ukraine joining NATO according to some Who, exactly, would this be?
February 21, 20223 yr 36 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Nord Stream 2 was a done deal years ago. Its completion was and is unavoidable. I know you love making everything about who is in office, and most especially about Republican vs Democrat, but nobody in the US on either side wanted to see it done. And both sides spent the last decade doing what could be done to oppose it. But Germany was committed to it. Merkel was not going to be denied this, as has been clear for years. It proceeded despite Trump putting as much pressure as he could. Whether or not Biden waived sanctions it was going to be completed and put into operation. It is a strategic nightmare for NATO and should be shelved. Germany's energy policies have been an absolute disaster now for a couple of decades and in the end they sell out to Russia and then get natural gas classified as green energy in the EU so they can play political marketing with their population. Trump should have and now Biden should put an end to this very dangerous mistake.
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