February 21, 20223 yr 40 minutes ago, SB52 said: You don’t have to agree with the premise. I do think you should watch it, though: Well congratulations on finding someone more annoying than Tucker or Rogan to get your news from. Maybe next time try Gallagher smashing a melon to every Biden sound bite.
February 21, 20223 yr So, I guess there are some who would support Biden agreeing that Ukraine will never join NATO to end this crises. https://www.yahoo.com/news/guest-opinion-russians-rightly-unsettled-104507106.html Guest Opinion: Russians rightly unsettled by NATO's eastward creep W.D. Ehrhart Sun, February 20, 2022, 5:45 AM The headlines these days are ominous. "Russia warns of retaliation if its demands are not met.” "U.S. allies are stepping up to counter Russia’s Ukraine threats.” "Blinken: No concessions in response to Russia on Ukraine.” Will there be a war over Ukraine?” It’s enough to keep you awake at night. Russia may no longer be the Soviet Union, but it’s still the original Evil Empire: unrepentantly aggressive, a bully, eager to needle the West at every opportunity, willing to risk war to achieve its selfish aims. Or so our government and our mainstream media would have us believe. But once again — as Americans have always been so adept at — we ignore the facts in order to present ourselves as the righteously aggrieved. At the end of World War II, the Soviet Union quickly gobbled up all of eastern Europe, installing sympathetic governments and creating the Warsaw Pact. Proof positive of Communist aggression. But during that war, the Soviet Union lost 27,000,000 soldiers and civilians — more than half of all casualties suffered by all of the nations involved in that war. I am not for a moment arguing that Joe Stalin was a nice guy, but he was protecting his country from future depredations by a hostile West by making sure that the next time the West attacked Russia, they’d have to kill a lot of other people before they actually got to the Russians. And then there was the Cuban missile crisis. Imagine the gall of those war-mongering Russians (O.K., Soviets) to put nuclear missiles only 90 miles from our very shores. Talk about naked aggression. How much more blatant can you get? Only years later did we learn that just prior to the Soviet introduction of missiles into Cuba, the U.S. had installed ballistic nuclear missiles in Italy and Turkey. So the U.S. is not threatening Russia with missiles on or near its borders, but when the Russians reciprocate, they’re obviously completely unjustified. And what did Nikita Khrushchev ask for in return for removing the missiles from Cuba? Simply that the U.S. remove its missiles from Italy and Turkey. And he didn’t even demand that we admit we’d put missiles there in the first place. So the American missiles were quietly removed while the whole dangerous affair was portrayed as a great American victory and proof that we could and would stand up to the Russian bully. And that brings us to the current crisis. There is a good deal of disagreement as to whether or not the U.S. promised Russia after the breakup of the USSR that NATO would not try to expand to include former members of the Warsaw Pact. But promise or not, it must surely be unsettling to anyone living in Russia that NATO now includes three former Soviet Socialist Republics, all with borders on Russia, and six former Warsaw Pact nations, several of these bordering directly on Russia. Once again, don’t mistake me. I am not saying that Vladimir Putin is a nice guy. But I’d like to know how Americans in general and the U.S. government in particular would respond if Russia signed a military alliance with Canada and Mexico. By way of NATO, we’ve already done much the same thing to Russia, and now we want to include Ukraine in NATO as well? Moreover, what purpose does NATO serve these days? NATO stands for the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Turkey is in the North Atlantic? Albania is in the North Atlantic? And Bulgaria, Romania, Croatia? And then consider that nations like Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria, and Turkey make American democracy look like the Golden Age of Athens. I have no illusions, and certainly no expectation, that the Biden administration will muster the courage to choose the sensible and reasonable course of action here: promise Putin that Ukraine will never be part of NATO in return for a Russian promise not to invade Ukraine.* After the pummeling Biden got for ending our forever war in Afghanistan, I expect he feels enormous pressure to demonstrate that he’s really a tough leader who won’t back down from aggression. And of course, if we do go to war with Russia, most of you reading this won’t actually be doing anything or going anywhere at all. It’ll just be that tiny little 1% of our citizenry who will bear the blood price while the rest of us stand up and remove our hats for the Star-Spangled Banner at basketball games and hockey matches. But I can tell you one bunch that's going to be really happy to see the U.S. and Russia go to war: that would be the Chinese. I just hope it doesn’t go nuclear. *Here’s another fact few Americans know: ever since 1918, the Russians have never once broken any treaty they’ve signed with the U.S., though the U.S. has broken a number of the treaties it’s signed with the USSR/Russia. W.D. Ehrhart, Ph.D., received the Purple Heart Medal, Navy Combat Action Ribbon, and a Division Commander’s Commendation for his service as a Marine in Vietnam. He grew up in Bucks County and now lives in Bryn Mawr.
February 21, 20223 yr This is how I know the EMB has made it. We have our very own Russian propaganda bot. Take that, extremeskins.
February 21, 20223 yr 32 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: Well congratulations on finding someone more annoying than Tucker or Rogan to get your news from. Maybe next time try Gallagher smashing a melon to every Biden sound bite. Did you watch the video. (It’s a simple YES or NO question) Also, imagine being so brainwashed by CNN that your masters tell you to hate someone (Rogan) for asking experts, "What do you think?”
February 21, 20223 yr Well, once Russian troops (or peacekeepers for the bot) cross into sovereign Ukrainian territory, it will be put up or shut up time for Biden and NATO. If we don’t follow through with sanctions, then it will be a catastrophic failure. Putin is calling Biden’s hand to see if he is bluffing.
February 21, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Well, once Russian troops (or peacekeepers for the bot) cross into sovereign Ukrainian territory, it will be put up or shut up time for Biden and NATO. If we don’t follow through with sanctions, then it will be a catastrophic failure. Putin is calling Biden’s hand to see if he is bluffing. Biden already said what sanctions he is imposing which is nothing really.
February 21, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Joe Shades 73 said: Biden already said what sanctions he is imposing which is nothing really. The sanction package is rather robust. He hasn’t initiated them yet.
February 21, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Well, once Russian troops (or peacekeepers for the bot) cross into sovereign Ukrainian territory, it will be put up or shut up time for Biden and NATO. If we don’t follow through with sanctions, then it will be a catastrophic failure. Putin is calling Biden’s hand to see if he is bluffing. Why? Ukraine is not in NATO https://youtu.be/W57I2mzAr9c
February 21, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, dawkins4prez said: Well congratulations on finding someone more annoying than Tucker or Rogan to get your news from. Maybe next time try Gallagher smashing a melon to every Biden sound bite. Funny part is he's super liberal, but just sees through a lot of the media BS.
February 21, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, vikas83 said: The sanction package is rather robust. He hasn’t initiated them yet. Yes if Russia invaded all of Ukraine but that is not going to happen 1 minute ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: Why? Ukraine is not in NATO What does that have to do with sanctions ?
February 21, 20223 yr Just now, Joe Shades 73 said: Yes if Russia invaded all of Ukraine but that is not going to happen Exactly, they’re taking two tiny pieces of it, and a region where the people there clearly prefer Russia
February 21, 20223 yr Just now, Joe Shades 73 said: Yes if Russia invaded all of Ukraine but that is not going to happen The sanctions were never contingent on a full scale invasion. As of this minute, Russian troops haven’t crossed (at least as far as I know). If they do, the full sanction package should be implemented. If they aren’t, Biden and NATO failed.
February 21, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Joe Shades 73 said: Yes if Russia invaded all of Ukraine but that is not going to happen What does that have to do with sanctions ? Why else would you sanction them? What are they doing wrong?
February 21, 20223 yr Just now, Seventy_Yard_FG said: Exactly, they’re taking two tiny pieces of it, and a region where the people there clearly prefer Russia Adults are talking. Go back to planning your move to Mars.
February 21, 20223 yr Just now, Seventy_Yard_FG said: Why else would you sanction them? What are they doing wrong? What I am saying being part of NATO is not relevant when imposing sanctions. Coming to help militarily is
February 21, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Adults are talking. Go back to planning your move to Mars. Surely you’ll be able to explain this to your children one day… oh wait you’re childless, will not have to participate, if your bank fails due to this war, you’ll expect the government to bail you out. You care only for yourself
February 21, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Joe Shades 73 said: What I am saying being part of NATO is not relevant when imposing sanctions. Coming to help militarily is Why would that be cause for sanction? Why is helping bad?
February 21, 20223 yr Just now, Seventy_Yard_FG said: Surely you’ll be able to explain this to your children one day… oh wait you’re childless, will not have to participate, if your bank fails due to this war, you’ll expect the government to bail you out. You care only for yourself How would my hypothetical children participate in sanctions? How would they make banks fail? Like I said - adults are talking. Aren’t you the moron who posted on the old board about how 9/11 was an inside job?
February 21, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, vikas83 said: How would my hypothetical children participate in sanctions? How would they make banks fail? Like I said - adults are talking. Aren’t you the moron who posted on the old board about how 9/11 was an inside job? This is a lie but I’d expect little better from a person like you. I expect there’s no level you wouldn’t stoop to to protect you’re un poor lifestyle. W**** for the establishment
February 21, 20223 yr Just now, vikas83 said: If I’m wrong on which moron you were on the old board, I apologize. I’ve posted on 9/11 but I’ve never said it was an inside job. All I’ve said is there’s more to it than what is the official narrative, maybe even more to it than any one man on this earth knows.
February 21, 20223 yr 12 minutes ago, vikas83 said: The sanctions were never contingent on a full scale invasion. As of this minute, Russian troops haven’t crossed (at least as far as I know). If they do, the full sanction package should be implemented. If they aren’t, Biden and NATO failed. Biden official just now said Russia already had troops in that area when asked about sanctions. That should tell you they are not going to do anything
February 21, 20223 yr Oh…so I was right? You’re the guy who would start with the conspiracy crap on the anniversary every year in the thread dedicated to the victims?
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