Just now, ToastJenkins said:

The irony here is profound. Turn off fox news man…

reagan was a millions times smarter than trump. Even when he had dementia

 

Who the hell watches Fox?

It's pretty clear though that you have CNN blasting away.

1 minute ago, Procus said:

Who the hell watches Fox?

It's pretty clear though that you have CNN blasting away.

Lol you are in over your head here clown

We intervened to counteract an offensive by russia, as have many allies. On the diplomatic side, it becomes a poker game. Understanding what is a bluff and what is not. Russia has shown nothing but incompetence and being ill prepared. 
 

so keep doing what we doing, both on the military and economic fronts. Personally i was fine with using air power, but so far it hasnt been deployed, as far as we know. Russia cant escalate they are already completely over extended and ill equipped

1 hour ago, Procus said:

Good reason.

Not as cut and dry.  The violence and hostilities are terrible.  But there are a LOT of bad guys in Ukraine - a LOT.  And it's a hotbed of corruption.  Certainly Zelensky himself has no business being the multi millionaire that he is. 

Western powers should be doing what they can to bring these hostilities to an end, not to stoke them on.

 

Zelenskyy was a successful television and movie actor with his own production companies in multiple countries (including Russia!) prior to becoming president. His comedy was political and social commentary based.

The closest analogue in the US would be if Jon Stewart had the acting ability of say Robin Williams.

Zelenskyy came by his success a lot more honestly than say a certain former president who needed Russian financing to remain solvent. No corruption there I'm sure!

11 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Here is the actual interview: https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/2022-05-06/retour-du-tireur-d-elite-wali/la-guerre-c-est-une-deception-terrible.php

Translation: https://www-lapresse-ca.translate.goog/actualites/2022-05-06/retour-du-tireur-d-elite-wali/la-guerre-c-est-une-deception-terrible.php?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp 

 

Quotes: 

But most foreign fighters like him who have gone to Ukraine have come away bitterly disappointed, mired in the fog of war without even having been to the front lines once.

They're disappointed because they're not being pressed into action on the front. 

 

In the end, it was his family life that won out over his desire to help Ukrainians, says Wali. "My heart feels like going back to the front. I still have the flame. I like the theater of operations. But I pushed my luck. I have no injuries. I think to myself: how far can I roll the dice? I don't want to lose what I have here,” says the young father, who missed his son's first birthday while he was at the front.

Wali came back because he had an encounter in which he nearly died (in a warzone, shocking) and he decided he needed the be there for his family. 

 

The number of volunteers who showed up – more than 20,000, according to different estimates – was so large that the Ukrainian government had to urgently establish the International Legion for the Territorial Defense of Ukraine on March 6.

But for most of the volunteers who showed up at the border, joining a military unit was a hassle.

Ukraine was not prepared to deploy the volunteers eager to fight against Russia on Ukraine's behalf, and that lack of preparation caused many to try and find a place in irregular militias. 

 

Keep choking on that propaganda though. Maybe Putin will notice your well trained gag reflex and bump you to a European football club's unofficial message board.

The biggest issue with the initial onset of volunteers is that a sizable chunk had no military experience, or had military experience without any combat operations. In the first two weeks there was a rush to save Kyiv, so everyone and their brother was being sent there. Then it became apparent that they needed to train people first, and then later it became more apparent that you should just only accept people who have done this before so resources aren’t tied up. A lot of the people who left initially were people who realized that war is actually pretty dangerous, or former US Army Specialist Schmuckatelli who did a four year stint in the 10s and "deployed” to Korea or Norway that found out the hard way that there’s a difference between a deployment and a combat deployment. The good thing is that a: those people left, and b: the Ukrainians aren’t taking people without legitimate experience. 
 

There’s a lot of war tourism that goes on in conflicts in general, especially in Europe (see also: Spanish Civil War), and after it became apparent that this war is going to go on for some time they’re only taking combat veterans or law enforcement.  There’s also a lot of different organizations that people are going to of varying qualities. 
 

In terms of Wali, he left to go back to his family. It had nothing to do with the winability of the war. He’s done a lot over there just in the last two months and been in the ish. He’s got a wife and kids and he’s been fighting overseas for a very long time. Nobody would blame him. 

5 hours ago, Procus said:

Are your brains up your butt?  Do you honestly think Russia will just idly sit by?  I mean you're really a special kind of stupid if you believe this.  There's a reason why we haven't done this already.  They're a heavily armed nuclear power.  The risk of this getting out of hand is astronomical - but one idiots are willing to take - in the name of  . . .  Ukraine.

Yahoo as a legit source

 

So if a guy with a gun does crime, should the police not go after him because he has a gun and could shoot them?

I’ve about had it up to here with everyone being an ussy about Putin and his nukes. He’s not going to use them because that would mean he would no longer be one of the richest men in the world. Even the Soviets with how nuts they were understood MAD. Putin is a modern day Tsar.  He put his nukes on "special alert”. At this point the only thing he has left to do is put them on "super duper alert”.

 

Not to mention that China, North Korea, and Iran are watching closely. If we start pissing our pants because some guy threatens to use something against us that we could also use against him, we’re going to get rolled around the world. 
 

Also while I’m on a roll, the corruption in Ukraine was because of a bunch of Russian stooges who are no longer in power. 
 

If anyone has an hour to kill, the Hoover Institute put out a video a few days ago with some retired Generals talking about how Russia won’t be able to win this and what that means. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

12 hours ago, Procus said:

Good reason.

Not as cut and dry.  The violence and hostilities are terrible.  But there are a LOT of bad guys in Ukraine - a LOT.  And it's a hotbed of corruption.  Certainly Zelensky himself has no business being the multi millionaire that he is. 

Western powers should be doing what they can to bring these hostilities to an end, not to stoke them on.

Zelensky was an actor and comedian for years prior to being elected, Seabiscuit.

And the only way these hostilities come to an end is if these Russian scumbags F off back to the ish hole they crawled out of. 

 

 

11 hours ago, Procus said:

Are your brains up your butt?  Do you honestly think Russia will just idly sit by?  I mean you're really a special kind of stupid if you believe this.  There's a reason why we haven't done this already.  They're a heavily armed nuclear power.  The risk of this getting out of hand is astronomical - but one idiots are willing to take - in the name of  . . .  Ukraine.

Yahoo as a legit source

 

 

On 10/5/2021 at 11:37 AM, Procus said:

Nobody actually provided a response to what is happened in Uttar Pradesh India.  What happens is that when you make a point that can't be refuted, the progressive participants in the thread resort to personal attacks and ridicule or attacks on the source of the information.  I mean we are on the EMB, so decorum is correctly disregarded by the members here given the forum.

 

Lmao

12 hours ago, Procus said:

Yahoo as a legit source

 

They're not really a bad source. They can be superficial but are mostly reliable for basic, fact-based, reporting, and they tend to be have a rightward slant if anything.

16 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

They're not really bad source. They can be superficial but are mostly reliable for basic, fact-based, reporting, and they tend to be have a rightward slant if anything.

See, anti-right bias just like he said

Justin Trudeau in Irpen

 

oof. Somebody's family is going to be disappeared.

 

2 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

We should just let them keep pushing east

take all the artillery and drones you want

 

 

15 hours ago, Procus said:

Are your brains up your butt?  Do you honestly think Russia will just idly sit by?  I mean you're really a special kind of stupid if you believe this.  There's a reason why we haven't done this already.  They're a heavily armed nuclear power.  The risk of this getting out of hand is astronomical - but one idiots are willing to take - in the name of  . . .  Ukraine.

Yahoo as a legit source

 

I know the interwebs are hard but the article linked is not a Yahoo sourced article...

 

 

 

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Ukraine lied to its encircled troops – commander

The captured officer says he decided to flee after realizing that promised help wouldn’t be coming

More Russian Propaganda. This Time From Ukraine Commander

1 hour ago, Abracadabra said:

 

Oh I’m glad I un-hid this one post because it gave me a good laugh. You linking this tweet shows your lack of knowledge of war fighting, and I’m even talking small scale. 
 

The Russian way of war fighting is to pummel with arty and then about a hundred meters from the objective they get on a line and move in. The problem with this is that you’re engaging the enemy with your largest available group, which removes your flexibility to maneuver and properly exploit any weaknesses. They can’t exploit any weaknesses because they don’t have the capacity to maneuver. Also Russian doctrine calls for support from BMPs/BTRs and tanks, of which a platoon will generally have a tank and three APCs with them along a frontage of ~300m. So you take out one of them and you’ve just reduced their firepower by a quarter. Whereas American light infantry will rely on support from heavy machine guns, automatic rifles, mortars, and artillery. You take out a machine gunner and his assistant just hops on the weapon system and keeps the attack going.  Same thing with mortars. The Russians can’t do this because it’s kind of hard to hop in the gunner seat of a BTR when it’s a burning hulk of metal. 
 

You see, with American doctrine, you engage the enemy with the smallest force necessary, which then allows you to maneuver the rest of your forces to exploit weaknesses and prevent counter attacks. The Russians can’t exploit breakthroughs because the flanks of whatever breakthrough is vulnerable because they can’t maneuver to defend it. Think of the Patton speech in the beginning of the movie: pinch them in the nose (engage the enemy minimally), and kick them in the a** (maneuver around them). We saw time and time again around Kyiv that they were continuously repelled because they couldn’t maneuver through a defensive line. 
 

The Russian way of doing things stems from WWII, because they could afford to overwhelm a defensive position with massive amounts of troops (which they don’t have now) and equipment (which they don’t have now because a: they lack the manufacturing capacity, and b: the US isn’t lend leasing them a f ton of equipment for free). And even then in the Eastern theater they were only able to make a breakout because Zhukov convinced Stalin to let him conduct an offensive on the German right flank, which was comprised of under trained Italians and Hungarian troops. Then you add in the fact that Russians can’t make a tactical decision without a General’s approval, whereas in American doctrine Captains and Majors are given flexibility to make tactical decisions right then and there. 
 

The Russians are playing right out of their textbook, which was outdated seventy years ago. 

And why do I keep citing American doctrine when it’s Ukrainians? Because since 2014 they’ve been taught the American doctrine of light infantry tactics and command and control. 
 

How’s that copium taste?

3 minutes ago, Bill said:

 

How’s that copium taste?

Who holds Popasnaya right now?

Ukraine is being pummeled on the Northern front right now. Hundreds of dead per day and thousands surrendered. You can throw out all the theory you want but the situation on the ground is clear. Russia is winning handily. The Ukrainians cannot withstand the artillery bombardment. They have no reinforcements. Those who don't surrender will become fertilizer. 

There has yet to be a time when Russia was/is "winning handily"

 

Thats why this topic is on page 434.  Just go re-read your first posts in this thread and then tell us how your early predictions held up.   Is Kyiv still surrounded??

16 minutes ago, Abracadabra said:

Who holds Popasnaya right now?

Ukraine is being pummeled on the Northern front right now. Hundreds of dead per day and thousands surrendered. You can throw out all the theory you want but the situation on the ground is clear. Russia is winning handily. The Ukrainians cannot withstand the artillery bombardment. They have no reinforcements. Those who don't surrender will become fertilizer. 

Popasnaya doesn’t exist. I’m assuming you meant Popasna.
 

You know, the small town that is lower than the terrain around it. Is that the town? The town with no convergence of major roads or rail lines making it of no strategic value? The little village where the Ukrainians pulled back from because they realized they could get a better defensive position from the heights around it? Is that the one?