12 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

Do you remember Trump’s performance in Helsinki?  He acted like he was terrified of Putin.

Yet Putin stayed put.

Maybe he was setting him up for the second term. Definitely. Russians, Chinese, and Iranians had everything laid out to put Trump in his place but grampa came out of nowhere and threw himself in the line of fire. 

That's going to be in an article. Write that down.

1 hour ago, Abracadabra said:

Wait....what? 

Seriously, that speaker set up is questionable. 2 stacks of line array seems like light coverage for a round room

 

 

Full invasion any minute now!!

And our spineless leaders will do nothing

As we speak, there is a massive invasion . . .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

of the Southern U.S. border:

https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2022/02/massive-invasion-of-u-s-exclusive-footage-of-military-invasion-on-southern-border/

Massive Invasion Of U.S.: Exclusive Footage Of Military Invasion On Southern Border

The Stew Peters Show

By Stew Peters Show
February 1, 2022

(but none of the liberals on this thread care about that)

 

50 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

 

In 1956, the Soviets invaded Hungary.  In 1967, they invaded Czechoslovakia.  In 1981, Poland was pressured into declaring Marshal Law.  NATO was in place during each of these events and effectively did nothing.  The alliance remained in tact.  Perspective.

6 minutes ago, Procus said:

In 1956, the Soviets invaded Hungary.  In 1967, they invaded Czechoslovakia.  In 1981, Poland was pressured into declaring Marshal Law.  NATO was in place during each of these events and effectively did nothing.  The alliance remained in tact.  Perspective.

They joined NATO only recently.

2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

They joined NATO only recently.

The point I'm making is that there is historical precedent for NATO not taking action when there is aggression from Russia against non-NATO countries.

8 hours ago, vikas83 said:

The sanctions were never contingent on a full scale invasion. As of this minute, Russian troops haven’t crossed (at least as far as I know). If they do, the full sanction package should be implemented. If they aren’t, Biden and NATO failed. 

Yes. It is very simple. 

6 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

 

Something something aid and comfort to the enemy...

6 hours ago, Procus said:

The point I'm making is that there is historical precedent for NATO not taking action when there is aggression from Russia against non-NATO countries.

In both of those cases the nations in questions were behind the iron curtain. 

NATO is a defensive pact that doesn't make any commitments to non-member states. And it exists largely as a preventative measure. There's a reason why Latvia and Estonia have not received the same attention by Russia as Belarus and Ukraine.

So I'm not sure what point you're making? Ukraine isn't in NATO specifically because existing members recognize the risk of Russian invasion.

I think Ukraine ought to be admitted BECAUSE of the threat Russia presents to its independence, but it's not irrational for member states to think the risk of being drawn into a war with Russia outweighs the advantages of bringing Ukraine closer to the west.

 

Nord Stream 2 has been shut down, apparently.

2 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

 

Nord Stream 2 has been shut down, apparently.

That's good. But I'd be shocked if the pipeline doesn't get certified by the end of the year (as was the timeline).

Germany was always the one in the driver's seat here. They were the only ones who could stop it.

4 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

That's good. But I'd be shocked if the pipeline doesn't get certified by the end of the year (as was the timeline).

Germany was always the one in the driver's seat here. They were the only ones who could stop it.

Probably all depends on what Putin is willing to take off the table in terms of the invasion. If he offers to hold at DPR/LPR territory then that gives the Germans an excuse to revive it.

6 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

That's good. But I'd be shocked if the pipeline doesn't get certified by the end of the year (as was the timeline).

Germany was always the one in the driver's seat here. They were the only ones who could stop it.

Maybe they will see the error in their ways. Probably have to burn more coal for a while though. 

The stupidity of Europe's energy planning has been exposed now Nordsream 2 has been cancelled.  I never understood why countries like the UK's energy policy relied so much on Russia and the whims of their leaders to be "zero carbon". So now Nordstream is done etc, the cost of living goes up and any action to take is tempered by what Putin can do back by turning the gas off.

As for the whole sanctions thing. They haven't worked before, so why will they work now? Our leaders are truly ridiculous

1 minute ago, UK Eagle said:

The stupidity of Europe's energy planning has been exposed now Nordsream 2 has been cancelled.  I never understood why countries like the UK's energy policy relied so much on Russia and the whims of their leaders to be "zero carbon". So now Nordstream is done etc, the cost of living goes up and any action to take is tempered by what Putin can do back by turning the gas off.

As for the whole sanctions thing. They haven't worked before, so why will they work now? Our leaders are truly ridiculous

Nordstream 2 isn't cancelled. The pipeline is complete and filled with gas. It was waiting certification by German and EU authorities, which is now on hold.

Like I said, I doubt Germany is going to have the will to hold the line. But we'll see if the threat of cancelling and pulling out entirely has leverage.

I don’t see how Europe is better off with no gas rather than having some gas but Putin has the option to turn it off

a lot of butt sniffers seem very interested in who has the most gas 

If Germany actually does hold, this means Gazprom will be putting immense pressure on Putin.

11 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Nordstream 2 isn't cancelled. The pipeline is complete and filled with gas. It was waiting certification by German and EU authorities, which is now on hold.

Like I said, I doubt Germany is going to have the will to hold the line. But we'll see if the threat of cancelling and pulling out entirely has leverage.

Gotcha.

Germany, having over the past few years, closed down power stations have an issue.  Where do they go?  They can't hold the line for long as they are reliant on the gas to function and deliver political policy.  Putin will know how little backup Europe has to pivot from his gas supplies.  People warned Germany they were playing with fire on approving the pipeline, but the zero Carbon focus overrode other concerns.

The UK has plentiful gas and coal supplies, but we won't get near it, so instead our prices are going up again. Never let a tyrant control your lives, and we did that

The reason why I have little respect for Merkel is this her political will wrought this issue on Europe; the same with the migration crisis. Another Mutti special