May 9, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Procus said: We can take up a collection to move you and your buddy to Russia. You'd be much happier there, and we'd be better off without anti-American commie sympathizers.
May 9, 20223 yr 53 minutes ago, Gannan said: We can take up a collection to move you and your buddy to Russia. You'd be much happier there, and we'd be better off without anti-American commie sympathizers. From a guy who supports the new Ministry of Truth
May 9, 20223 yr 19 hours ago, Procus said: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/595919-62-percent-of-voters-say-putin-wouldnt-have-invaded-ukraine-if-trump/ 62 percent of voters say Putin wouldn’t have invaded Ukraine if Trump were president: poll They are right. So let’s revisit why that would have been the case. Do you remember the answer?
May 9, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: They are right. So let’s revisit why that would have been the case. Do you remember the answer? Oh yeah, you guys invented a reason and decided it was fact. Tell us about the reasons why there weren't other wars during the Trump administration. I'm sure you'll be able to invent something.
May 9, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, Procus said: Oh yeah, you guys invented a reason and decided it was fact. Tell us about the reasons why there weren't other wars during the Trump administration. I'm sure you'll be able to invent something. Go ahead and tell us why you think Putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine had Trump won
May 9, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, Procus said: Oh yeah, you guys invented a reason and decided it was fact. Tell us about the reasons why there weren't other wars during the Trump administration. I'm sure you'll be able to invent something.
May 9, 20223 yr 12 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Go ahead and tell us why you think Putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine had Trump won Here are these things called FACTS which you choose to ignore: 1. Obama gave his "red line" speech about use of chemical weapons in Syria on August 31, 2013 which authorized use of force if chemical weapons were used in an August 21, 2013 attack. Despite conclusions reached that chemical weapons were used, the Obama administration did nothing, and was subjected to ridicule. On Feb. 22, 2014, the Russians invaded and then annexed Crimea. 2. On August 30, 2021, the U.S. withdrew from Afghanistan and bungled the withdrawal terribly, leaving US personnel, allies, and weapons behind. The Russians invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24, 2022. Russians took their military action just a few months after seeing incompetence and malfeasance demonstrated first hand in the WH. But go ahead, INVENT your own reasons without proper factual support or timeline.
May 9, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Procus said: Here are these things called FACTS which you choose to ignore: 1. Obama gave his "red line" speech about use of chemical weapons in Syria on August 31, 2013 which authorized use of force if chemical weapons were used in an August 21, 2013 attack. Despite conclusions reached that chemical weapons were used, the Obama administration did nothing, and was subjected to ridicule. On Feb. 22, 2014, the Russians invaded and then annexed Crimea. 2. On August 30, 2021, the U.S. withdrew from Afghanistan and bungled the withdrawal terribly, leaving US personnel, allies, and weapons behind. The Russians invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24, 2022. Russians took their military action just a few months after seeing incompetence and malfeasance demonstrated first hand in the WH. But go ahead, INVENT your own reasons without proper factual support or timeline. Russia wouldn’t have invaded because one of the cardinal rules of war is to not interrupt your enemy while they’re making a mistake.
May 9, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, Procus said: Here are these things called FACTS which you choose to ignore: 1. Obama gave his "red line" speech about use of chemical weapons in Syria on August 31, 2013 which authorized use of force if chemical weapons were used in an August 21, 2013 attack. Despite conclusions reached that chemical weapons were used, the Obama administration did nothing, and was subjected to ridicule. On Feb. 22, 2014, the Russians invaded and then annexed Crimea. 2. On August 30, 2021, the U.S. withdrew from Afghanistan and bungled the withdrawal terribly, leaving US personnel, allies, and weapons behind. The Russians invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24, 2022. Russians took their military action just a few months after seeing incompetence and malfeasance demonstrated first hand in the WH. But go ahead, INVENT your own reasons without proper factual support or timeline. ok, now answer his question.
May 9, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, Procus said: Here are these things called FACTS which you choose to ignore: 1. Obama gave his "red line" speech about use of chemical weapons in Syria on August 31, 2013 which authorized use of force if chemical weapons were used in an August 21, 2013 attack. Despite conclusions reached that chemical weapons were used, the Obama administration did nothing, and was subjected to ridicule. On Feb. 22, 2014, the Russians invaded and then annexed Crimea. 2. On August 30, 2021, the U.S. withdrew from Afghanistan and bungled the withdrawal terribly, leaving US personnel, allies, and weapons behind. The Russians invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24, 2022. Russians took their military action just a few months after seeing incompetence and malfeasance demonstrated first hand in the WH. But go ahead, INVENT your own reasons without proper factual support or timeline. Ummm, you didn't answer the question. I'll try it again. Why wouldn't Putin have invaded had Trump won a 2nd term?
May 9, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Bill said: Russia wouldn’t have invaded because one of the cardinal rules of war is to not interrupt your enemy while they’re making a mistake. So they only invade when we're NOT making mistakes. Uh huh. I guess the bungled withdrawal from Afghanistan and the bungled red line weren't mistakes and that's why the Russians didn't invade. Go ahead, give us another cliche!
May 9, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Ummm, you didn't answer the question. I'll try it again. Why wouldn't Putin have invaded had Trump won a 2nd term? Because he saw a COMPETENT State and Defense Dept. that didn't repeatedly bungle things with red lines in the sand and leaving our allies to twist in the wind. But in your eyes, asking our allies to pony up what they agreed to for the NATO defense budget was grounds for not invading.
May 9, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, Procus said: Because he saw a COMPETENT State and Defense Dept. that didn't repeatedly bungle things with red lines in the sand and leaving our allies to twist in the wind. But in your eyes, asking our allies to pony up what they agreed to for the NATO defense budget was grounds for not invading. My assertion is that Trump was weakening NATO, i.e. already doing something that Putin wanted to make happen. Once Trump left, that trend ended.
May 9, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, Procus said: Because he saw a COMPETENT State and Defense Dept. that didn't repeatedly bungle things with red lines in the sand and leaving our allies to twist in the wind. But in your eyes, asking our allies to pony up what they agreed to for the NATO defense budget was grounds for not invading.
May 9, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: My assertion is that Trump was weakening NATO, i.e. already doing something that Putin wanted to make happen. Once Trump left, that trend ended. Well, according to your hypothesis, once Trump left, NATO was strengthening, so that would have deterred, not encouraged the invastion. 5 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Fat, drunk and stupid is not way to go through life son.
May 9, 20223 yr Just now, Procus said: Well, according to your hypothesis, once Trump left, NATO was strengthening, so that would have deterred, not encouraged the invastion. Young, drunk and stupid is not way to go through life son. I hope you’re on drugs, because that was one of the dumbest thing I’ve ever read on here.
May 9, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, Procus said: Well, according to your hypothesis, once Trump left, NATO was strengthening, so that would have deterred, not encouraged the invastion. Exactly the opposite as it put the possibility of Ukraine in NATO back on the table and removed the potential for NATO to continue weakening or even better to collapse all together. Putin is on a time table given his age and likely his health and his desire to restore Russia as a EuroAsian power required him to take action given that Trump was no longer doing his work for him.
May 9, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: I hope you’re on drugs, because that was one of the dumbest thing I’ve ever read on here. No - you are one of the dumber posters here, and it's really sad because you're young and indicative of a bad outlook for your future.
May 9, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Exactly the opposite as it put the possibility of Ukraine in NATO back on the table and removed the potential for NATO to continue weakening or even better to collapse all together. Putin is on a time table given his age and likely his health and his desire to restore Russia as a EuroAsian power required him to take action given that Trump was no longer doing his work for him. You're grasping at straws. This administration is correctly perceived as incompetent by our adversaries. That encourages hostile actions like the invasion of Ukraine.
May 9, 20223 yr Just now, Procus said: You're grasping at straws. This administration is correctly perceived as incompetent by our adversaries. That encourages hostile actions like the invasion of Ukraine. What do you think Trump had done differently had Putin invaded the Ukraine while Trump was in office?
May 9, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, DrPhilly said: What do you think Trump had done differently had Putin invaded the Ukraine while Trump was in office? I don't think it would have happened in the first place. It DIDN'T happen in the first place. NOTHING like that happened during the Trump administration. So your question is purely hypothetical. Have you forgotten what Trump did during his first meeting with Xi in the U.S.?
May 9, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Procus said: I don't think it would have happened in the first place. It DIDN'T happen in the first place. NOTHING like that happened during the Trump administration. So your question is purely hypothetical. Have you forgotten what Trump did during his first meeting with Xi in the U.S.? No, it is very relevant if you want to assert that Putin didn't invade Ukraine because of Trump's foreign policy. For that to be true, Putin would have had to have determined that invading the Ukraine during Trump's stay in office was less valuable or more risky for him than doing so with Biden in office. I'm asking you to explain those reasons for Putin to wait.
May 9, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, DrPhilly said: No, it is very relevant if you want to assert that Putin didn't invade Ukraine because of Trump's foreign policy. For that to be true, Putin would have had to have determined that invading the Ukraine during Trump's stay in office was less valuable or more risky for him than doing so with Biden in office. I'm asking you to explain those reasons for Putin to wait. Have you forgotten what Trump during his first meeting with Xi in the U.S.? Let me refresh your memory - while meeting with Xi at Mar-O-Lago in 2017, Trump arrange for the U.S. to strike targets in Syria with Tomahawk missiles in retaliation for use of chemical weapons. Message was delivered. Putin saw and got the message. BTW - I'm not saying this makes Trump look particularly strong. It does, but that's besides the point. The point is that both the Obama and especially the Biden administrations demonstrated incredibly weak and incompetent foreign policy.
May 9, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, Procus said: Have you forgotten what Trump during his first meeting with Xi in the U.S.? Let me refresh your memory - while meeting with Xi at Mar-O-Lago in 2017, Trump arrange for the U.S. to strike targets in Syria with Tomahawk missiles in retaliation for use of chemical weapons. Message was delivered. Putin saw and got the message. BTW - I'm not saying this makes Trump look particularly strong. It does, but that's besides the point. The point is that both the Obama and especially the Biden administrations demonstrated incredibly weak and incompetent foreign policy. So again, what do you think Putin thought Trump would have done differently than Biden should Putin have invaded the Ukraine under Trump.
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