May 17, 20223 yr On 5/17/2022 at 4:24 PM, Abracadabra said: I'm sure that plays a role. However, when you consider how many Russians died fighting the Not-zzz, the fact that there's another, modern version on their border killing Russians today, any Russian leader would have to nip that in the bud. At the end of the day, it comes down to money and power. Ukraine is a huge country with a lot of natural resources and is the breadbasket of Europe. Geographically, it's a buffer state from perceived hostile powers to the West which have been steadily encroaching eastward since the breakup of the Soviet Union - against the advice of many on both sides of the aisle at the time. Couple that up with the historical ties between Russia and Ukraine along with a perceived stumblebum in the WH who couldn't even pull out of Afghanistan without tripping over himself, and you have yourself an invasion. (This is the one you were asking about @DrPhilly )
May 17, 20223 yr 26 minutes ago, Procus said: Exactly. You have nothing. I still have my pride. You dumped yours in the crapper long ago.
May 17, 20223 yr 16 minutes ago, Boogyman said: I still have my pride. You dumped yours in the crapper long ago. Boogeyman and Whoppi, sittin' in a tree . . .
May 17, 20223 yr The idea that Russia is in Ukraine because of some kind of NSDAP hunter mission is laughable. Are there some neo-NSDAP elements within the Ukrainian military? Yes. Is their insignia purposefully chosen to reflect that? Yes. Is that why Russia invaded Ukraine? Of course not.
May 17, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, TEW said: Is that why Russia invaded Ukraine? Of course not. 1 hour ago, Procus said: At the end of the day, it comes down to money and power. Ukraine is a huge country with a lot of natural resources and is the breadbasket of Europe. Geographically, it's a buffer state from perceived hostile powers to the West which have been steadily encroaching eastward since the breakup of the Soviet Union - against the advice of many on both sides of the aisle at the time. Couple that up with the historical ties between Russia and Ukraine along with a perceived stumblebum in the WH who couldn't even pull out of Afghanistan without tripping over himself, and you have yourself an invasion. I actually agree with all of this.
May 17, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Procus said: At the end of the day, it comes down to money and power. Ukraine is a huge country with a lot of natural resources and is the breadbasket of Europe. Geographically, it's a buffer state from perceived hostile powers to the West which have been steadily encroaching eastward since the breakup of the Soviet Union - against the advice of many on both sides of the aisle at the time. Couple that up with the historical ties between Russia and Ukraine along with a perceived stumblebum in the WH who couldn't even pull out of Afghanistan without tripping over himself, and you have yourself an invasion. I’d add the warm water ports. But yeah, basically this.
May 17, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, Abracadabra said: This isn't a difficult concept to grasp. Russia is self-sufficient in necessary commodities like food, energy, metal etc.. Even if their economy suffers, they can weather the storm because they have the essentials. The same can not be said for Europe. They are largely dependent on Russia for a significant percentage of these necessities. They have voluntarily cut themselves off from these cheap commodities and it's going to hurt their economies big time. Now, if you understand this, the stupid will not hurt so much. You're a lunatic.
May 18, 20223 yr Sounds very Trumpian https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10828979/Ukraine-war-Russia-considers-withdrawing-WTO.html
May 18, 20223 yr Eyepatch McCain getting absolutely savaged on twitter over the aid package. He's so butthurt about it.
May 18, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, Kz! said: Eyepatch McCain getting absolutely savaged on twitter over the aid package. He's so butthurt about it. He was/is a "Trump should be president for life" and a "Stop the steal" guy. I guess supporting democracy elsewhere is a bridge too far for you Trumpbots.
May 18, 20223 yr 27 minutes ago, Gannan said: He was/is a "Trump should be president for life" and a "Stop the steal" guy. I guess supporting democracy elsewhere is a bridge too far for you Trumpbots. all we have to do to "support democracy" elsewhere is to send billions of dollars in foreign aid in perpetuity to fight a proxy war against a nuclear power. In exchange isolated parts of Ukraine get "democracy" and the american tax payer gets a giant bill and to feel good about himself. Sign me up!
May 18, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Kz! said: all we have to do to "support democracy" elsewhere is to send billions of dollars in foreign aid in perpetuity to fight a proxy war against a nuclear power. In exchange isolated parts of Ukraine get "democracy" and the american tax payer gets a giant bill and to feel good about himself. Sign me up! Yes, you're really going to "get the bill". My initial reaction to posts like this is usually "KZ can't really be this stupid", but then I have to remind myself that yes...yes you are. By that argument I got the bill for Trump's wall and his tax cuts for corporations. Other than Trump's tax hike, no president in my lifetime has raised my taxes to pay for their ridiculous spending. Biden won't raise your taxes one cent to pay for this.
May 18, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Kz! said: all we have to do to "support democracy" elsewhere is to send billions of dollars in foreign aid in perpetuity to fight a proxy war against a nuclear power. In exchange isolated parts of Ukraine get "democracy" and the american tax payer gets a giant bill and to feel good about himself. Sign me up! Buy a dog.
May 18, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, Gannan said: Yes, you're really going to "get the bill". My initial reaction to posts like this is usually "KZ can't really be this stupid", but then I have to remind myself that yes...yes you are. By that argument I got the bill for Trump's wall and his tax cuts for corporations. Other than Trump's tax hike, no president in my lifetime has raised my taxes to pay for their ridiculous spending. Biden won't raise your taxes one cent to pay for this. lol "reee trump" "reeee referring to insane govt spending as "getting the bill" for taxpayers"
May 18, 20223 yr 11 minutes ago, Kz! said: lol "reee trump" "reeee referring to insane govt spending as "getting the bill" for taxpayers" Trump spent out of control. You didn't care. As usual it's just Pointing out your butt hurt will never not be fun for me.
May 18, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, Kz! said: Eyepatch McCain getting absolutely savaged on twitter over the aid package. He's so butthurt about it.
May 18, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Yep, there's still a very strong pro-war, pro-military industrial complex group of republicans that have partnered with the pro-war left that this conflict has helped expose. Eyepatch McCain can go eff himself.
May 18, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Kz! said: Yep, there's still a very strong pro-war, pro-military industrial complex group of republicans that have partnered with the pro-war left that this conflict has helped expose. Eyepatch McCain can go eff himself. When losers fight with other losers, everyone else wins.
May 18, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Gannan said: Yes, you're really going to "get the bill". My initial reaction to posts like this is usually "KZ can't really be this stupid", but then I have to remind myself that yes...yes you are. By that argument I got the bill for Trump's wall and his tax cuts for corporations. Other than Trump's tax hike, no president in my lifetime has raised my taxes to pay for their ridiculous spending. Biden won't raise your taxes one cent to pay for this. Barack Obama says hello.
May 18, 20223 yr 30 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Barack Obama says hello. If you think KZ was one of the rich people who saw his taxes increased under Obama, you're giving KZ a lot more credit than I am.
May 18, 20223 yr 24 minutes ago, Gannan said: If you think KZ was one of the rich people who saw his taxes increased under Obama, you're giving KZ a lot more credit than I am. Was referring to you. He raised my taxes substantially between the higher income tax brackets and the ridiculous Obamacare taxes on investment income.
May 18, 20223 yr 16 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Was referring to you. He raised my taxes substantially between the higher income tax brackets and the ridiculous Obamacare taxes on investment income. You won;t have to worry about raised taxes any time soon again , the Dems are cooked
May 18, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said: You won;t have to worry about raised taxes any time soon again , the Dems are cooked Did you miss the post a couple above that that said Trump raised their taxes too?
May 18, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Did you miss the post a couple above that that said Trump raised their taxes too? Yes, well then I guess keep worrying
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