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4 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

State-owned media is "Russo-centric" eh? 🤣

At least they come right out and let you know the media is state owned. In the U.S., they control the media behind your back. You go around spouting state controlled media convinced it's independent. Russia wrongs it's citizens once. The U.S. wrongs it's citizens twice. 

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3 hours ago, Abracadabra said:

It would be funny if Russia said the hell with Nord Stream II, we're pulling out altogether. Sell that gas in Asia.

While we're at it, how about we tighten supplies going to EU. We'll call it counter sanctions. 

France is probably grinning like a Cheshire cat. They're ramping up nuclear power plants while the rest of EU is about to go dark.

Bring it on.  Nuclear is going to be back big.  The greens are starting to come around.  Go ahead and dump your Russian gas on Asia.

22 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

You do that now, since you don't consider them American, like you,  They are British loyalists masquerading as Americans.

And have been doing so since 1861. 

54 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

If actual Mexicans were rising up in New Mexico, rejecting US sovereignty, and actively fighting a military campaign against US forces the US would be justified in shelling them.

If Mexico decided to invade to support these "Mexican separatists" they would be invading the US.

And you're still a Kremlin reject. How far down the pecking order did you have to fall to get assigned to a US Football team's non-official message board to spread Russian disinformation and propaganda товарищ? 

The treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo is still in force.  There are certain terms in there concerning the right to build fortifications 

5 minutes ago, Abracadabra said:

 Yanukovych was overthrown by the CIA with the help of neo-notz groups. The puppets installed immediately began a campaign against the Russian speaking populations. What do you expect people to do besides secure their own neighborhoods? 

They didn't just make Ukrainian the state language, they outlawed speaking, writing, or publishing in Russian. Many of the people in Donbas speak only Russian.

No, Yanukovych was thrown out by a popular revolt by Ukrainians who had long been pushing for closer ties to the west. 

Stop with the Russian propaganda.

They did not outlaw speaking, writing, or publishing in Russian. Speaking Russian is not at all "outlawed', nor is writing it. But if you publish a website you must have a Ukrainian version available. 

I'm not a fan of the bill, but it's not surprising seeing something like this come from an Eastern European country: https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/parliament-passes-ukrainian-language-bill.html

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Media

One of the primary — and most controversial areas — governed by the draft "language law” is media.

According to the bill, print and online publications will have to be either exclusively in Ukrainian or have a Ukrainian language version. This norm does not apply to Crimean Tatar, English and official languages of the European Union.

The quota for Ukrainian-language content for national television and radio broadcasters will be increased from 75 percent to 90 percent, while the quota for regional television and radio broadcasters will be increased from 60 percent to 80 percent.

Crimean Tatar language television channels and radio broadcasters will be able to provide up to 70 percent of their coverage in Crimean Tatar.

Films and theaters

Films produced in Ukraine must be in Ukrainian. Subtitled non-Ukrainian speeches cannot exceed 10 percent of the film.

Foreign language films will have to be dubbed into Ukrainian. Only foreign language films meeting Ukrainian authorities’ quality standards or ones shown during film festivals can be subtitled, as opposed to being dubbed.

Subtitled foreign-language films cannot exceed 10 percent of a movie theater’s program.

Under the bill, cultural events, including theater performances, will have to be in Ukrainian. Other languages can be used during cultural events if it is justified for artistic reasons or for the purpose of protecting ethnic minority languages.

Songs can also be performed in languages other than Ukrainian.

State and municipal theaters will be allowed to show performances in languages other than Ukrainian if such performances are subtitled or translated into Ukrainian.

Books

Publishing houses will be required to print at least 50 percent of their books in Ukrainian, and book stores will have to sell at least 50 percent of their books in Ukrainian.

This norm does not apply to ethnic minority language books funded by the government and to specialized foreign language and minority language book stores.

Education

Under the bill, all schools and universities will be required to teach in Ukrainian.

Classes taught in ethnic minority languages will be allowed at Ukrainian-language schools, and some subjects at Ukrainian-language universities can be taught in English or one of the official languages of the European Union.

Business

The Ukrainian web sites of foreign businesses must have a Ukrainian version, according to the bill.

Computer software distributed in Ukraine will have to be either in Ukrainian, English or in one of the official languages of the European Union.

The bill also requires the employees of service sector businesses to speak to their customers in Ukrainian.

 

Maybe if the Russian regions Ukraine hadn't responded to the majority asserting its will and overthrowing their Russian puppet in 2014 by declaring war on the rest of Ukraine, and instead sent representatives to Kyiv elected in free and fair elections, this language law may not have passed. 

But I hardly think it's crazy that Ukraine wants to assert its cultural independence from a nation that has been openly hostile to it (Russia) through means such as instituting a state language and requiring that children learn in the language of the Ukrainian people. 

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

Post picture of Chamberlain in 1938, get accused of being stuck in Cold War thinking

I love this place

The training program is far from perfect and this dude got the EMB CVON assignment.  You can't expect much more to be honest.

 

Just now, DrPhilly said:

Bring it on.  Nuclear is going to be back big.  The greens are starting to come around.  Go ahead and dump your Russian gas on Asia.

Not in Germany. They are still very much opposed to nuclear power. Only the French have invested in modern tech for nuke plants.

6 minutes ago, Abracadabra said:

At least they come right out and let you know the media is state owned. In the U.S., they control the media behind your back. You go around spouting state controlled media convinced it's independent. Russia wrongs it's citizens once. The U.S. wrongs it's citizens twice. 

The media is routinely critical of politicians at every level of government in the US.

RT is basically Putin's press secretary. 

Your propaganda is a failure.

2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

No, Yanukovych was thrown out by a popular revolt by Ukrainians who had long been pushing for closer ties to the west. 

Stop with the Russian propaganda.

They did not outlaw speaking, writing, or publishing in Russian. Speaking Russian is not at all "outlawed', nor is writing it. But if you publish a website you must have a Ukrainian version available. 

I'm not a fan of the bill, but it's not surprising seeing something like this come from an Eastern European country: https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/parliament-passes-ukrainian-language-bill.html

 

Maybe if the Russian regions Ukraine hadn't responded to the majority asserting its will and overthrowing their Russian puppet in 2014 by declaring war on the rest of Ukraine, and instead sent representatives to Kyiv elected in free and fair elections, this language law may not have passed. 

But I hardly think it's crazy that Ukraine wants to assert its cultural independence from a nation that has been openly hostile to it (Russia) through means such as instituting a state language and requiring that children learn in the language of the Ukrainian people. 

You are obviously a supporter of tyrants.

28 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

RT is the trustworthy source that invites critics of Russia...

This is some next level dedication to trolling

I'm thinking that answer is so stupid that it has to be off script.  He may need to re-cert again after that one.

4 minutes ago, Abracadabra said:

Not in Germany. They are still very much opposed to nuclear power. Only the French have invested in modern tech for nuke plants.

Relax dude.  The Germans have Fed up big time with their energy strategy and it will be painful but they will change.

Putin is sheeting the bed in the Ukraine. He misread the tea leaves on this one.  He should have waited another year or two and let the Germans get all the way into sucking that gas full on.

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

Relax dude.  The Germans have Fed up big time with their energy strategy and it will be painful but they will change.

Putin is sheeting the bed in the Ukraine. He misread the tea leaves on this one.  He should have waited another year or two and let the Germans get all the way into sucking that gas full on.

Why do you think the Germans have only suspended NSII instead of outright cancelling? 

Putin is playing the west like a drum. How much is oil and gas these days? Are Russia's borders more secure today than yesterday? 

3 hours ago, Gannan said:

Probably, though outside of sanctions, I'm not sure what we could do other than protect Ukraine with our own troops which no one seems to have the stomach for. I guess we could get uber aggressive and set up a no fly zone and shoot down Russian planes if they try to violate it, but that would lead to all out war most likely. 

Russia knows we have no stomach for it. We keep showing them that.

1 minute ago, Abracadabra said:

Why do you think the Germans have only suspended NSII instead of outright cancelling? 

Putin is playing the west like a drum. How much is oil and gas these days? Are Russia's borders more secure today than yesterday? 

Because they need to align internally in Germany but they aren't going to break from EU, UK, US on this one.  If Putin backs off then he can keep the pipeline.  If he pushes forward he cannot.  His choice.  The west survives either way.  He is in the process of shooting his lode too early if he wants to keep that pipeline.  I think he'll go ahead and let it fall and chalk it up to bad analysis and a fee he had to pay to annex Eastern Ukraine and get a land route to Crimea which he is going to grab.  Had he waited 24 months he could have kept the pipeline and split Germany from the rest of the EU/Nato on this topic.  He will lose this strategic piece of leverage.

1 hour ago, DEagle7 said:

Anyone have a source they recommend to follow this story? My go-tos are usually BBC and AP but open to suggestions. Seems to be even more BS to sort through than usual with this story. 

Def. BBC.

 

That soundtrack is great

12 minutes ago, Abracadabra said:

Why do you think the Germans have only suspended NSII instead of outright cancelling? 

Putin is playing the west like a drum. How much is oil and gas these days? Are Russia's borders more secure today than yesterday? 

Please tell us again of your love for Russian tyrants

2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Because they need to align internally in Germany but they aren't going to break from EU, UK, US on this one.  If Putin backs off then he can keep the pipeline.  If he pushes forward he cannot.  His choice.  The west survives either way.  He is in the process of shooting his lode too early if he wants to keep that pipeline.  I think he'll go ahead and let it fall and chalk it up to bad analysis and a fee he had to pay to annex Eastern Ukraine and get a land route to Crimea which he is going to grab.  Had he waited 24 months he could have kept the pipeline and split Germany from the rest of the EU/Nato on this topic.  He will lose this strategic piece of leverage.

But the pipeline was Germany's idea. Merkel had to practically beg Putin to go along with it. I'm sure Putin regrets giving in to that hag. 

Russia has plenty of other counties who could buy their gas. They don't need NSII.

Russia is not going to subordinate their national security for NSII. I wouldn't be surprised if Russia unilaterally exited the deal.

1 minute ago, 20dawk4life said:

Please tell us again of your love for Russian tyrants

Putin just went to lawmakers in Russia to get permission to use troops outside of Russia.

The U.S. is occupying, at least, 80 countries.

U.S. citizens are so stupid it makes me sick!

5 minutes ago, Abracadabra said:

But the pipeline was Germany's idea. Merkel had to practically beg Putin to go along with it. I'm sure Putin regrets giving in to that hag. 

Russia has plenty of other counties who could buy their gas. They don't need NSII.

Russia is not going to subordinate their national security for NSII. I wouldn't be surprised if Russia unilaterally exited the deal.

Merkel is no longer in power. Yeah, he'll give it up.  I agree.  He won't like it but...

:lol: 

6 minutes ago, Abracadabra said:

Putin just went to lawmakers in Russia to get permission to use troops outside of Russia.

:roll:

9 minutes ago, Abracadabra said:

Putin just went to lawmakers in Russia to get permission to use troops outside of Russia.

The U.S. is occupying, at least, 80 countries.

U.S. citizens are so stupid it makes me sick!

I almost forgot you were a sovereign citizen of Connecticut free from the Pope's tyranny :roll:

10 minutes ago, Abracadabra said:

Putin just went to lawmakers in Russia to get permission to use troops outside of Russia.

The U.S. is occupying, at least, 80 countries.

U.S. citizens are so stupid it makes me sick!

Where you from champ? 

1 minute ago, 20dawk4life said:

Where you from champ? 

My guy signed a paper declaring himself a citizen of Connecticut. Not the US. Because the US government is run by the British and the Popes.

No... seriously.  That's not a joke. He actually believes that. 

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