July 6, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, Abracadabra said: Lie. They bombed a munitions and arms storage adjacent to an empty mall which caught fire when ammo exploded. Fact. ohh just the all the stuff right next to the mall that caused a huge explosion. That should keep the innocent citizens safe. What about the apartment complexes?
July 6, 20223 yr 12 hours ago, ilross2003 said: He says that Russia is winning - while most of you say it's wrong. He says that Ukraine being the totally "Good guys" and Russia being totally "Bad Guys" are not the crystal clear facts - while most of you say they are. He says that NATO is directly responsible for this war - while most of you say that it's wrong. He says that Ukrainian side is responsible for the war crimes as well - while most of you think it's wrong. What am I missing? When he said the pope and the queen of England are the ones really running the United States government.
July 6, 20223 yr 12 hours ago, Abracadabra said: Lie. They bombed a munitions and arms storage adjacent to an empty mall which caught fire when ammo exploded. Fact. Where were they keeping the munitions? The dairy section? It was an open grocery store. Not an empty mall. The store was first to be hit and there was no ammo dump because there were no secondaries like what happens when an actual ammo dump gets hit.
July 6, 20223 yr 23 hours ago, dawkins4prez said: Abra? Uh no, dude, I know you wanna come to his rescue but you should take a deeper dive into the thread history before you jump off that cliff. He's got Russia as the 100% good guys, Ukraine as a NSDAP regime and NATO as the chief aggressor. He denies all Russian war crimes at every turn. If you are looking for a moderate voice who understands the grey areas, Abra is not the horse you want to ride. I do think that a moderate voice is important. The problem is that the media sources can not be trusted on the both sides of this conflict, so there's no way to see any kind of clear picture, especially without knowing Russian and Ukrainian. I know both, me and my wife have relatives and friends in Russia and Ukraine that tell us their stories. My wife runs a beauty salon, so she has refugees from Donbass, Kiev and Lvov among her clients. She speaks with them on almost a daily basis. Still it's hard to come to conclusions... Except that it's all pretty bad...
July 6, 20223 yr 52 minutes ago, ilross2003 said: I do think that a moderate voice is important. The problem is that the media sources can not be trusted on the both sides of this conflict, so there's no way to see any kind of clear picture, especially without knowing Russian and Ukrainian. I know both, me and my wife have relatives and friends in Russia and Ukraine that tell us their stories. My wife runs a beauty salon, so she has refugees from Donbass, Kiev and Lvov among her clients. She speaks with them on almost a daily basis. Still it's hard to come to conclusions... Except that it's all pretty bad... I've come to a conclusion. The Russian military is a paper tiger and not to be feared and should they make a move against NATO, will be easily defeated.
July 6, 20223 yr Just because Ukraine was a corrupt ish hole doesnt mean any nation can just invade and destroy their country and kill their civilians
July 6, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Just because Ukraine was a corrupt ish hole doesnt mean any nation can just invade and destroy their country and kill their civilians If this was the first reply in this thread, we could have just locked it the first day.
July 6, 20223 yr 44 minutes ago, downundermike said: If this was the first reply in this thread, we could have just locked it the first day. No, because the US FORCED Russia to invade by not being a ****. Also, NATO is the real culprit here. Just ask Comrade Abra.
July 6, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, ilross2003 said: I do think that a moderate voice is important. The problem is that the media sources can not be trusted on the both sides of this conflict, so there's no way to see any kind of clear picture, especially without knowing Russian and Ukrainian. I know both, me and my wife have relatives and friends in Russia and Ukraine that tell us their stories. My wife runs a beauty salon, so she has refugees from Donbass, Kiev and Lvov among her clients. She speaks with them on almost a daily basis. Still it's hard to come to conclusions... Except that it's all pretty bad... Ok, Neville.
July 6, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, ilross2003 said: I do think that a moderate voice is important. The problem is that the media sources can not be trusted on the both sides of this conflict, so there's no way to see any kind of clear picture, especially without knowing Russian and Ukrainian. I know both, me and my wife have relatives and friends in Russia and Ukraine that tell us their stories. My wife runs a beauty salon, so she has refugees from Donbass, Kiev and Lvov among her clients. She speaks with them on almost a daily basis. Still it's hard to come to conclusions... Except that it's all pretty bad... When one country attacks another, say like when Egypt attacked Israel, do you need to check the media? Really?
July 6, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Mike31mt said: Just because Ukraine was a corrupt ish hole doesnt mean any nation can just invade and destroy their country and kill their civilians 50 minutes ago, downundermike said: If this was the first reply in this thread, we could have just locked it the first day. Also, for the record, Ukraine is not a corrupt ish hole. Is there corruption that we find offensive to modern western standards? Yes. That said, the level of corruption is a drop in the bucket compared to Belarus, Russia, or China. Never mind the fact that the corruption that I have personal evidence of would fly in America a half century ago. I think people that zero in on corruption in Ukraine generally fail to articulate the areas of corruption, and also fail to realize that the iron curtain was heavy, thus it takes time and effort for a people to cast it from their shoulders. They're making an effort. The people here realize it. They are taking steps against it.
July 6, 20223 yr 25 minutes ago, Bill said: Also, for the record, Ukraine is not a corrupt ish hole. Is there corruption that we find offensive to modern western standards? Yes. That said, the level of corruption is a drop in the bucket compared to Belarus, Russia, or China. Never mind the fact that the corruption that I have personal evidence of would fly in America a half century ago. I think people that zero in on corruption in Ukraine generally fail to articulate the areas of corruption, and also fail to realize that the iron curtain was heavy, thus it takes time and effort for a people to cast it from their shoulders. They're making an effort. The people here realize it. They are taking steps against it. It's a country going through growing pains but two things stand out as evident facts: they are committed to democracy long term and they want to be Europeans, not Russians.
July 6, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, ilross2003 said: I do think that a moderate voice is important. The problem is that the media sources can not be trusted on the both sides of this conflict, so there's no way to see any kind of clear picture, especially without knowing Russian and Ukrainian. I know both, me and my wife have relatives and friends in Russia and Ukraine that tell us their stories. My wife runs a beauty salon, so she has refugees from Donbass, Kiev and Lvov among her clients. She speaks with them on almost a daily basis. Still it's hard to come to conclusions... Except that it's all pretty bad... That’s fine. I suppose by now you understand Abra is most definitely not your guy. Just read the last few pages if you are still unsure.
July 6, 20223 yr 47 minutes ago, Bill said: Also, for the record, Ukraine is not a corrupt ish hole. Is there corruption that we find offensive to modern western standards? Yes. That said, the level of corruption is a drop in the bucket compared to Belarus, Russia, or China. Never mind the fact that the corruption that I have personal evidence of would fly in America a half century ago. I think people that zero in on corruption in Ukraine generally fail to articulate the areas of corruption, and also fail to realize that the iron curtain was heavy, thus it takes time and effort for a people to cast it from their shoulders. They're making an effort. The people here realize it. They are taking steps against it. Hmm, I don't know man... On one hand there's you, who literally traveled toward a war zone to see things for yourself first-hand at great personal risk, and on the other hand, there's a toothless half-wit from West Virginia who would gladly drink Trump's bathwater if given the chance. So yeah, I'm kinda torn on who to believe here.
July 6, 20223 yr On 2/22/2022 at 6:46 PM, Abracadabra said: O.K., you're familiar with the Social Security program, right? You think it's a retirement program for Americans, no? Wrong! The Social Security program is for the employees and dependents of the British territorial United States of America Inc.. This is a subcontractor in the business of providing governmental services to the Americans. They offer their own this retirement program. The British control this program. Don't believe it? https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1997/1778/contents/made Time to wake up, America. On 2/22/2022 at 7:12 PM, Abracadabra said: Really? That's your take away? I give you a link to documents showing the Queen of Great Britain making modifications to the U.S. Social Security program and that's your objection? O.K.. reminder for the uninitiated about how nucking futs Abra is.
July 6, 20223 yr On 2/22/2022 at 2:44 PM, Abracadabra said: Russia is not the enemy of America. America is not the enemy of Russia. America's greatest enemy is the British Crown and the Popes. Always has been and always will be. The problem is that we hired these **** to deliver certain governmental services for us and they've used that position of trust to usurp our civilian government and replace it with their contract government. For 160 years they have raped, pillaged and plundered America and her resources under the guise of a "Trustee". Until now. The American civilian government is back is session. The reconstruction of America's de jure government is underway. America is at peace and that is your peacetime flag. Here's another good one.
July 6, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Still just as funny, and even dumber, 100 days later Biden is an epic failure
July 6, 20223 yr Russians Fear Commanders Are Selling Their Own Troops’ Locations for Cash https://www.thedailybeast.com/russians-fear-commanders-are-selling-their-own-troops-locations-for-cash Sounds par for the course.
July 6, 20223 yr 6 hours ago, Toastrel said: No, because the US FORCED Russia to invade by not being a ****. Also, NATO is the real culprit here. Just ask Comrade Abra. There 404 was minding it's own business, frolicking in a meadow with a European trollop, when, out of nowhere, and completely without cause, the Russian golem leaped upon them, slew the Guardian of Freedom and ravaged Lilibet's nickers. News of the carnage has reached as far as the commoners in the New World. Determined to defend the honor of his countrymen, Toastrel has sailed the ocean blue and landed upon the shores of his brother's shame. With great courage and heroism, he provides regular updates on the demise and humiliation of Europe's villainy. Or.....
July 6, 20223 yr 13 minutes ago, lynched1 said: How much longer is this "three day war" gonna take? Have you clicked your heels three times?
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