February 22, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Gannan said: My guess is there is now a mutual agreement in place between China and Russia. Russia takes Ukraine, China takes Taiwan and they support each other's moves. Yep. That was my prediction in the Nostradamus thread. Soon china will invade Taiwan. Not much we can do about that as well.
February 22, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, Gannan said: My guess is there is now a mutual agreement in place between China and Russia. Russia takes Ukraine, China takes Taiwan and they support each other's moves. And China helps mitigate the pain from the sanctions. Our influence obviously isn't what it used to be.
February 22, 20223 yr 16 minutes ago, The_Omega said: And China helps mitigate the pain from the sanctions. Our influence obviously isn't what it used to be. That’s why things like banning Russian banks from the SWIFT system are key. We still can control the architecture and plumbing of international finance.
February 22, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Gannan said: This post didn't age well. Actually, it aged fine. Let's see, Russians invaded Ukraine when Obama was prez AND when Biden was prez but NOT when Trump was prez. Why not explain what I'm missing here.
February 22, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Do you actually think that Trump would do a damn thing if Russia had decided to do this then? If if if. See my prior post - Russia invaded Ukraine when Obama was prez AND while Biden is prez but NOT when Trump was prez. I wonder why if Trump was so pro-Russia. Do explain please.
February 22, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Gannan said: Acting like what happens overseas won't affect us here is folly. I would have thought Americans would have learned this by now, but sadly not. This one does not. This isn't tanks rolling into Poland. They aren't in Nato and I feel for them, but if Putin wants the entire country it's not our problem. Turning off the pipeline and increasing our dependence of foreign oil when this crap happens does.
February 22, 20223 yr 12 minutes ago, Procus said: If if if. See my prior post - Russia invaded Ukraine when Obama was prez AND while Biden is prez but NOT when Trump was prez. I wonder why is Trump was so pro-Russia. Do explain please. I don't know, maybe he is so pro Russia, so he could obtain favorable bank loans for his new hotel in Moscow, helping him steal the election, helping him get dirt on Joe Biden and for not releasing the pee sex video tape.
February 22, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Diehardfan said: This one does not. This isn't tanks rolling into Poland. They aren't in Nato and I feel for them, but if Putin wants the entire country it's not our problem. Turning off the pipeline and increasing our importation of oil when this crap happens does. Interesting, so Biden and the EU are wrong to issue Sanctions then.
February 22, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: Interesting, so Biden and the EU are wrong to issue Sanctions then. Yep. Stay the hell out of it. Sanctions aren't going to do crap but hurt us.
February 22, 20223 yr Putin's breathing a sigh of relief that US troops will only defend NATO member countries. He knows how inclusive and welcoming of alternative lifestyles that our military is. He doesn't want any part of that.
February 22, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Diehardfan said: Putin knows the smell of pu**y is what you are saying. Got it. Welp Trump didn't use our military and NATO to go into Ukraine and the Crimea and kick the Russians out during his Presidency. I don't believe he sanctioned them as well. So yeah, I guess so.
February 22, 20223 yr Author 22 minutes ago, Procus said: If if if. See my prior post - Russia invaded Ukraine when Obama was prez AND while Biden is prez but NOT when Trump was prez. I wonder why is Trump was so pro-Russia. Do explain please. Because he loves the absolute power that Putin has.
February 22, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, jsdarkstar said: Welp Trump didn't use our military and NATO to go into Ukraine and the Crimea and kick the Russians out during his Presidency. I don't believe he sanctioned them as well. So yeah, I guess so. That's not a bad thing IMO. Enough fighting foreign wars for corporations or things that don't directly impact us. If they hit Germany, fine. Outside of a NATO country stop wasting our blood and money. It does not impact us enough to get involved. Both sides have gotten us fired up about wars since Korea that we didn't need to be in. France lost their rubber territory so we ended up in Vietnam. Someone had a grudge and wanted oil so we ended up in Iraq. List goes on. Stay the freak out of things. Again, this isn't tanks rolling into Poland or Pearl Harbor.
February 22, 20223 yr Who in the Lord's name does Putin think gives him the right to declare new so-called countries on territory that belonged to his neighbours?" Biden: Who in the Lord's name does Putin think gives him the right?Biden: Who in the Lord's name does Putin think gives him the right?
February 22, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: That's not a bad thing IMO. Enough fighting foreign wars for corporations or things that don't directly impact us. If they hit Germany, fine. Outside of a NATO country stop wasting our blood and money. It does not impact us enough to get involved. Both sides have gotten us fired up about wars since Korea that we didn't need to be in. France lost their rubber territory so we ended up in Vietnam. Someone had a grudge and wanted oil so we ended up in Iraq. List goes on. Stay the freak out of things. Again, this isn't tanks rolling into Poland or Pearl Harbor. Agree 100%.^ The President is being called weak by those who want us to go in and kick Russia out. Honestly, I'm not sure how many of them understand Ukraine is not in NATO. Short of military force, there isn't a lot the current President can do. Sanctions. Yet some are complaining that Sanctions hurt Americans. So, I guess Joe should just do nothing.
February 22, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, DEagle7 said: O.K., you're familiar with the Social Security program, right? You think it's a retirement program for Americans, no? Wrong! The Social Security program is for the employees and dependents of the British territorial United States of America Inc.. This is a subcontractor in the business of providing governmental services to the Americans. They offer their own this retirement program. The British control this program. Don't believe it? https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1997/1778/contents/made Time to wake up, America.
February 22, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: Agree 100%.^ The President is being called weak by those who want us to go in and kick Russia out. Honestly, I'm not sure how many of them understand Ukraine is not in NATO. Short of military force, there isn't a lot the current President can do. Sanctions. Yet some are complaining that Sanctions hurt Americans. So, I guess Joe should just do nothing. Quote https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/29/us/politics/russia-sanctions-economy.html U.S. Sanctions Aimed at Russia Could Take a Wide Toll WASHINGTON — The most punishing sanctions that U.S. officials have threatened to impose on Russia could cause severe inflation, a stock market crash and other forms of financial panic that would inflict pain on its people — from billionaires to government officials to middle-class families. U.S. officials vow to unleash searing economic measures if Russia invades Ukraine, including sanctions on its largest banks and financial institutions, in ways that would inevitably affect daily life in Russia. But the strategy comes with political and economic risks. No nation has ever tried to enact broad sanctions against such large financial institutions and on an economy the size of Russia’s. And the "swift and severe” response that U.S. officials have promised could roil major economies, particularly those in Europe, and even threaten the stability of the global financial system, analysts say. Some analysts also warn of a potential escalatory spiral. Russia might retaliate against an economic gut punch by cutting off natural gas shipments to Europe or by mounting cyberattacks against American and European infrastructure. The pain caused by the sanctions could foment popular anger against Russia’s president, Vladimir V. Putin. But history shows that the country does not capitulate easily, and resilience is an important part of its national identity. U.S. officials are also sensitive to the notion that they could be viewed as punishing the Russian people — a perception that might fuel anti-Americanism and Mr. Putin’s narrative that his country is being persecuted by the West. From Cuba to North Korea to Iran, U.S. sanctions have a mixed record at best of forcing a change in behavior. And while the Biden administration and its European allies are trying to deter Mr. Putin with tough talk, some experts question whether they would follow through on the most drastic economic measures if Russian troops breached the border and moved toward Kyiv, Ukraine’s capital. President Biden has said he will not send American troops to defend Ukraine. Instead, U.S. officials are trying to devise a sanctions response that would land a damaging blow against Russia while limiting the economic shock waves around the world — including in the United States. Officials say that for now, the Biden administration does not plan to target Russia’s enormous oil and gas export industry; doing so could drive up gasoline prices for Americans already grappling with inflation and create a schism with European allies. But many experts on sanctions believe that the boldest sanctions against Russia’s financial industry, if enacted, could take a meaningful toll. "If the Biden administration follows through on its threat to sanction major Russian banks, that will reverberate across the entire Russian economy,” said Edward Fishman, who served as the top official for Russia and Europe in the State Department’s Office of Economic Sanctions Policy and Implementation during the Obama administration. "It will definitely affect everyday Russians.” Mr. Fishman added: "How are you going to change Putin’s calculus? By creating domestic disturbances. People will be unhappy: ‘Look what you did — all of a sudden my bank account is a fraction of what it was? Thanks, Putin.’” Sanctions imposed after Mr. Putin annexed Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula in 2014 and gave military support to an insurgency in the country’s east created a modest drag on Russia’s economy. Those penalties and later ones took a surgical approach, heavily targeting Mr. Putin’s circle of elites as well as officials and institutions involved in aggression against Ukraine, in part to avoid making ordinary Russians suffer. U.S. officials say the impact of sanctions now would be categorically different. Washington is looking to take a sledgehammer to pillars of Russia’s financial system. The new sanctions that American officials are preparing would cut off foreign lending, sales of sovereign bonds, technologies for critical industries and the assets of elite citizens close to Mr. Putin. But the real damage to Russia’s $1.5 trillion economy would come from hitting the biggest state banks as well as the government’s Russian Direct Investment Fund, which has prominent Western executives on its advisory board. The Treasury Department would draw from its experience targeting Iranian banks under President Donald J. Trump, though Iran’s banks are much smaller and less integrated into the global economy than Russian banks. Once the department puts the Russian banks on what officials call its "game over” sanctions list, known as the S.D.N. list, foreign entities around the world would stop doing business with the banks, which would have a big effect on Russian companies. The United States would also enact sanctions to cut lending to Russia by foreign creditors by potentially $100 billion or more, according to Anders Aslund, an economist and an author of an Atlantic Council report on U.S. sanctions on Russia. Though Russia has taken steps since 2014 to rely less on foreign debt for expenses, such a loss could still devalue the ruble, shake the stock market and freeze bond trading, Mr. Aslund added. For an average Russian, the harshest U.S. measures could mean higher prices for food and clothing, or, more dramatically, they could cause pensions and savings accounts to be severely devalued by a crash in the ruble or Russian markets. "It would be a disaster, a nightmare for the domestic financial market,” said Sergey Aleksashenko, a former first deputy chairman of the Central Bank of Russia and former chairman of Merrill Lynch Russia. He noted that the ruble had already fallen more than 10 percent from its October value against the dollar, amid increasing talk of Western sanctions. In a sign of the growing seriousness, officials from the National Security Council have been talking with executives from some of Wall Street’s largest banks, including Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, JPMorgan Chase and Bank of America, about the stability of the global financial system in the wake of potential sanctions. The European Central Bank has also warned bank lenders to Russia about risks if the United States imposes sanctions and has asked about the sizes of their loans. For now, though, American officials are not considering any immediate sanctions on the foundation of Russia’s economy: its oil and gas exports. European nations rely on natural gas from Russia, and several U.S. allies, notably Germany, prefer that Washington refrain from disrupting the Russian energy industry. Analysts say sanctions that limit Russia’s ability to export oil and gas would be by far the most powerful weapon against the Russian economy, and perhaps the most effective economic deterrent against an invasion of Ukraine, but they would also cause pain in Europe and the United States. "At some point, the West will have to sacrifice a little bit of its well-being if the goal is to deter Putin,” said Maria Snegovaya, a visiting scholar at George Washington University and an author of the Atlantic Council report. "U.S. inflation further constrains the administration’s actions,” she added. "Inflation is already unprecedented for the last 30 years. Any action against Russia that is dramatic will lead to changes in oil and gas prices.” ...cont. Yeah, I'm good with doing nothing...especially when it's not going to change an outcome past taking money from our pockets.
February 22, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, Abracadabra said: O.K., you're familiar with the Social Security program, right? You think it's a retirement program for Americans, no? Wrong! The Social Security program is for the employees and dependents of the British territorial United States of America Inc.. This is a subcontractor in the business of providing governmental services to the Americans. They offer their own this retirement program. The British control this program. Don't believe it? https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1997/1778/contents/made Time to wake up, America. Nope. I've never thought that. Neither has anyone else I know that has even half a brain.
February 23, 20223 yr 15 minutes ago, Boogyman said: Nope. I've never thought that. Neither has anyone else I know that has even half a brain. Really? That's your take away? I give you a link to documents showing the Queen of Great Britain making modifications to the U.S. Social Security program and that's your objection? O.K..
February 23, 20223 yr 39 minutes ago, Abracadabra said: O.K., you're familiar with the Social Security program, right? You think it's a retirement program for Americans, no? Wrong! The Social Security program is for the employees and dependents of the British territorial United States of America Inc.. This is a subcontractor in the business of providing governmental services to the Americans. They offer their own this retirement program. The British control this program. Don't believe it? https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1997/1778/contents/made Time to wake up, America. You're my new favorite. So do you pay into SS? Or did your declaration make it so you don't have to anymore? I promise I'm not a T man. Or British.
February 23, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, Abracadabra said: Really? That's your take away? I give you a link to documents showing the Queen of Great Britain making modifications to the U.S. Social Security program and that's your objection? O.K.. You think that's what your link shows?
February 23, 20223 yr I don't know why I care to educate someone as dedicated to stupidity as you, but maybe someone will benefit. Here's the same document on ssa.gov: https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10199.pdf This doesn't mean the US controls UKs social security anymore than the same agreement on the UK government site indicates the reverse you nimrod. It's an agreement about how social security systems in the UK and US will handle workers and/or dual citizens who have contributed to the programs in both countries. Goddamn I thought lynched was stupid but you're giving him serious competition.
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