September 22, 20223 yr 34 minutes ago, TEW said: How is it a contradiction? NATO getting involved means his military is at threat of annihilation if the war remains conventional, so he’s more likely to use a nuke because that’s the only option he has militarily. Likewise, if his military gets annihilated, he’s more vulnerable domestically, so again he’s more likely to use nukes. It puts a squeeze on Putin where he would truly have nothing to lose. In the US it only takes two fingers to press the button. In Russia it takes a lot more. There will be no nukes. Self preservation is a hell of a drug.
September 22, 20223 yr NATO is not getting involved, people don't understand this by now? Also Putin is full of crap, again people don't understand this by now? He does some speech every few months and the media jumps and writes the same crap and the same people on TV say the same crap, guaranteed 5 months from now it will be the same thing. i saw some idiot say gas now will be 8 a gallon all because Putin has mobilized, not sure who are dumber the covid lifers, the anti vaxers or people like this
September 22, 20223 yr He said he'd use nukes if the West got involved in Ukraine. A few seconds later he was crying that he was fighting the West in Ukraine. Putler is a blithering idiot but remains keenly aware that his most affective nuclear strategy is to threaten to use them, not actually using them. Unless NATO decides they want to march on Moscow there's a negative zero percent chance Putin even thinks about using nuclear weapons.
September 22, 20223 yr 9 hours ago, Abracadabra said: Russia has said they would not use nuclear weapons unless the survival of the Russian state is in danger. The problem is that the West's stated goal is to end the Russian state. The West must fail for the good of mankind. Where exactly did they state that goal? The goal is the fall of putin. Thats for the good of mankind. Russia could be a prosperous state but not with putin there
September 22, 20223 yr 7 hours ago, Joe Shades 73 said: NATO is not getting involved, people don't understand this by now? Also Putin is full of crap, again people don't understand this by now? He does some speech every few months and the media jumps and writes the same crap and the same people on TV say the same crap, guaranteed 5 months from now it will be the same thing. i saw some idiot say gas now will be 8 a gallon all because Putin has mobilized, not sure who are dumber the covid lifers, the anti vaxers or people like this Except nato had been involved from the jump. The only thing missing are actual combat troops
September 22, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said: Where exactly did they state that goal? The goal is the fall of putin. Thats for the good of mankind. Russia could be a prosperous state but not with putin there And frankly until this war he was just seen as a relatively strong geopolitical "frenemy" that we butted heads with, who we'd like to see replaced with someone who wanted to cultivate relationships with the West in good faith, but nobody thought that was a workable reality to labor towards. There was no big plan to oust the guy. Putin getting ousted would have had a good if not great chance of resulting in an even crazier nationalist autocrat hostile to the West. Devil you know and all that, given that Putin was seen as a rational actor. Now? Things have changed because Putin and Russia chose to invade Ukraine.
September 22, 20223 yr Putin travels with a poop case, and a staff to tend his poop case. Rational does not seem to be his strong suit.
September 22, 20223 yr He travels with a poop case to keep the west from analyzing it and finding out what he has. Honestly that's actually pretty smart a device in the sewer that analyzes crap is actually something I could see the CIA doing.
September 22, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, Bill said: He travels with a poop case to keep the west from analyzing it and finding out what he has. Honestly that's actually pretty smart a device in the sewer that analyzes crap is actually something I could see the CIA doing. A device in the sewer would have to differentiate his poop from everyone else. Likelihood for contamination might make it trickier than it sounds. I suppose if they had a rough idea of what they wanted to rule out, there's a chance it might provide some value.
September 22, 20223 yr Who do you have to piss off in the CIA to get put on "poop collection and analysis" duty. Heh heh. Duty.
September 22, 20223 yr 9 hours ago, Bill said: In the US it only takes two fingers to press the button. In Russia it takes a lot more. There will be no nukes. Self preservation is a hell of a drug. According to everything I can find, Russia uses the same system the US uses with a nuclear briefcase. Tactical nukes would be an interesting/terrifying scenario, likely deployed by aircraft so you’d have a pilot/flight crew in the loop but also wouldn’t necessarily be targeting a major city with a significant civilian population, so the psychological shock would be a lot lower.
September 22, 20223 yr Hundreds of protesters getting arrested and immediately served their draft papers. The beginning of the end for Putin is upon us. By the balls Red square, Putin is cooked.
September 22, 20223 yr 11 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: Hundreds of protesters getting arrested and immediately served their draft papers. The beginning of the end for Putin is upon us. By the balls Red square, Putin is cooked. The only ending fit for any fascist... Spoiler
September 22, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, TEW said: According to everything I can find, Russia uses the same system the US uses with a nuclear briefcase. Tactical nukes would be an interesting/terrifying scenario, likely deployed by aircraft so you’d have a pilot/flight crew in the loop but also wouldn’t necessarily be targeting a major city with a significant civilian population, so the psychological shock would be a lot lower. It doesn't work the same in Russia. The nuclear briefcase concept is the same but in the US you need authorization from POTUS and one other qualifying person. In Russia, you need five authorizations. 24 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:
September 22, 20223 yr I mean, it was already pretty rough for Russia having to send 60 year old tanks to the battlefield. But blowing them up before they even made it to the front has to be a real kick in the teeth.
September 22, 20223 yr My electricity bill for August just came. I paid 3x more per unit in August 2021 than I did in August 2022.
September 22, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: My electricity bill for August just came. I paid 3x more per unit in August 2022 than I did in August 2023. Are you a time lord?
September 22, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: My electricity bill for August just came. I paid 3x more per unit in August 2021 than I did in August 2022. So you paid 3x more last year than this year?
September 22, 20223 yr Speaking of abject failure, how is the quality of the troops attacking the Ukraine, going to improve, by conscripting people protesting the war? You think they are going to give it their all?
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