February 23, 20223 yr 10 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Funny, sure seems like the right comparing everyone to Hitler these days. Every mask mandate is like the Holocaust all over again. BLM protesters block traffic = horror show Canadian protesters block traffic = patriotism and fighting knot zees. Ooh, this is fun. Here's the retarded ishlib response: BLM protestors block traffic, pull drivers from their vehicles and beat them within an inch of their life= Yass, queen! Slay! You're defeating white supremacy! Canadian protestors block traffic by setting up bouncy castles for children= I literally hope Trudeau has them killed.
February 23, 20223 yr 33 minutes ago, Gannan said: When asked if he thought Putin was a killer, Trump said "and we're so good?" When asked why relations weren't better between the US and Russia, he blamed America and called America "foolish". When our own intelligence agencies said Russia was hacking our systems and interfering in elections, he sided with Putin. But sure, Trump would be tough on Russia this time. When Trump supporters are characterized as slack jawed, mouth breathing, moronic rubes who will believe anything, this is exactly why. Common people place much more emphasis on words than actions on the ground.
February 23, 20223 yr Just now, Procus said: Common people place much more emphasis on words than actions on the ground. In what ways was Trump tough on Russia? Besides leaving his dentures in while blowing Putin?
February 23, 20223 yr Former CIA Director Leon Panetta gets it (and before anyone says we do the same thing, this isn't the same. not even close) "I think what's at stake is whether we've learned the lessons from World War II, that we can't allow a tyrant to invade a sovereign democracy and get away with it.
February 23, 20223 yr 26 minutes ago, barho said: ahhhh....isolationism. That should work in today's global economy (I hope you get my sarcasm here). Not isolationism. Outside of the Revolution, Civil, or WWII....possibly WWI...what other wars did we have to fight? What was worth our kids dying for? Sanctions aren't war, but do you think they will do absolutely anything to make him withdraw? Nope. Americans will get punished for nothing. Worse case one of our ships have an incident in the Med and this blows up.
February 23, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: Not isolationism. Outside of the Revolution, Civil, or WWII....possibly WWI...what other wars did we have to fight? What was worth our kids dying for? Sanctions aren't war, but do you think they will do absolutely anything to make him withdraw? Nope. Americans will get punished for nothing. Worse case one of our ships have an incident in the Med and this blows up. Pretty sure worse case, since the 50s, is nuclear war.
February 23, 20223 yr Just now, VanHammersly said: There's next to no risk of us actually "fighting" this war. Sanctions aren't boots on the ground. Yep, Putin will still do what he wants and the sanctions will admittedly hurt the American people, but hopefully at least Russian citizens will be hurt worse. That's what we call a "win/win" in the political world.
February 23, 20223 yr Just now, Kz! said: Yep, Putin will still do what he wants and the sanctions will admittedly hurt the American people, but hopefully at least Russian citizens will be hurt worse. That's what we call a "win/win" in the political world. I took down the post almost immediately because I saw that DieHard's second sentence addressed sanctions, but damn you're quick on the draw. But since you brought it up, yes, crippling Russia's economy at the very least is an important step while the Ukranian's defend themselves. I know you'd prefer the red carpet for Putin but most of us are on the side of the Ukranian's on this one.
February 23, 20223 yr I really have no idea why I will try, but just one time and then I'll let the cauldron of ignorance keep simmering. The post World War II order established the US as the sole hegemonic power in the West, and with the fall of the USSR, the sole hegemonic power in the world. The entire international system was predicated upon this, and the USA derives massive benefits from it. The most tangible -- the Bretton Woods conference made the US Dollar the reserve currency of the world. Nothing has been more impactful on America's success since 1945 than that simple fact. The USA can borrow more cheaply and enjoys unparalleled financial stability despite our politicians constant efforts to undermine those efforts. Think back to the financial crisis of 2008 -- the real danger at that time was that the US Dollar could lose that status, and China and Russia were pushing ideas like SDRs or making the Euro the reserve currency. Nothing would harm the US more than losing this status. Part of that trade was an implicit guarantee of sovereign borders and international security. In order to prevent WW3, the decision was made not to allow traditional nations that had warred for centuries (i.e., Europeans) to have massive standing armies. Basically -- security was outsourced to the USA. The relative global peace since 1945 has persisted on this basic trade -- we rally the international community to protect sovereignty, and they let us dominate the world financially. If you're worried about China replacing the USA as the global power in the world, then abandoning all international responsibility is the easiest way to do it. Smaller nations will seek security protection from the next strongest guy, and the US will forfeit its massive financial and economic advantages. We got Ukraine to surrender its nukes in the early 1990s because they believed in this. Abandoning any responsibility to the global order now would lead to chaos and the decline of US financial power and stability, and most likely the rise of China. No one is sending troops to Ukraine. But rallying the West to impose sanctions is what we need to do to maintain a global system in which we are the massive winner.
February 23, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Pretty sure worse case, since the 50s, is nuclear war. hahha touche outside of the Cowboys winning the SB.
February 23, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Diehardfan said: hahha touche outside of the Cowboys winning the SB. Come on dude, stay in the world of reality
February 23, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, vikas83 said: If you're worried about China replacing the USA as the global power in the world, then abandoning all international responsibility is the easiest way to do it. Smaller nations will seek security protection from the next strongest guy, and the US will forfeit its massive financial and economic advantages. We got Ukraine to surrender its nukes in the early 1990s because they believed in this. Abandoning any responsibility to the global order now would lead to chaos and the decline of US financial power and stability, and most likely the rise of China. No one is sending troops to Ukraine. But rallying the West to impose sanctions is what we need to do to maintain a global system in which we are the massive winner. Forcing Russia to become more reliant on China to keep China from replacing the USA as the global power. 5D chess.
February 23, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, vikas83 said: I really have no idea why I will try, but just one time and then I'll let the cauldron of ignorance keep simmering. The post World War II order established the US as the sole hegemonic power in the West, and with the fall of the USSR, the sole hegemonic power in the world. The entire international system was predicated upon this, and the USA derives massive benefits from it. The most tangible -- the Bretton Woods conference made the US Dollar the reserve currency of the world. Nothing has been more impactful on America's success since 1945 than that simple fact. The USA can borrow more cheaply and enjoys unparalleled financial stability despite our politicians constant efforts to undermine those efforts. Think back to the financial crisis of 2008 -- the real danger at that time was that the US Dollar could lose that status, and China and Russia were pushing ideas like SDRs or making the Euro the reserve currency. Nothing would harm the US more than losing this status. Part of that trade was an implicit guarantee of sovereign borders and international security. In order to prevent WW3, the decision was made not to allow traditional nations that had warred for centuries (i.e., Europeans) to have massive standing armies. Basically -- security was outsourced to the USA. The relative global peace since 1945 has persisted on this basic trade -- we rally the international community to protect sovereignty, and they let us dominate the world financially. If you're worried about China replacing the USA as the global power in the world, then abandoning all international responsibility is the easiest way to do it. Smaller nations will seek security protection from the next strongest guy, and the US will forfeit its massive financial and economic advantages. We got Ukraine to surrender its nukes in the early 1990s because they believed in this. Abandoning any responsibility to the global order now would lead to chaos and the decline of US financial power and stability, and most likely the rise of China. No one is sending troops to Ukraine. But rallying the West to impose sanctions is what we need to do to maintain a global system in which we are the massive winner. We agree on many points. I think we can do that without jumping into every conflict. You know Russia and China have been looking to replace the dollar for a long time now. Honestly, these type of sanctions could lead to that happening. If nothing else it will cause more of a financial impact to our economy and make the dollar even weaker. We can't just keep printing money and thinking it will be alright. To put it simply we are pretty weak right now and if the dollar will be replaced it's going to be continuing down this path. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter what we think. Leaders will do what they want and we go along for the ride.
February 23, 20223 yr 51 minutes ago, Gannan said: Or because after WW2 we crafted international law that said countries couldn't simply redefine borders and annex sovereign countries anymore as to avoid another world war. This was the same reason, and rightfully so, why we went to war with Iraq the first time. Is that why NATO bombed Yugoslavia for two months straight and redefined it's borders? Wait...that's the same type of thing NATO is accusing Russia of doing. Apparently, redefining borders is fine if we follow NATO's example.
February 23, 20223 yr 47 minutes ago, Toastrel said: In what ways was Trump tough on Russia? https://www.npr.org/2018/07/20/630659379/is-trump-the-toughest-ever-on-russia https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/397212-president-trump-is-tougher-on-russia-in-18-months-than-obama-in-eight https://townhall.com/columnists/jeffdavidson/2020/07/25/trump-continues-to-be-exceedingly-tough-on-russia-n2572999 Keeping the U.S. energy independent and the price of oil down is probably the biggest example. He also imposed significant financial sanctions. If you read through those articles, you'll see some examples.
February 23, 20223 yr 19 minutes ago, vikas83 said: the Bretton Woods conference made the US Dollar the reserve currency of the world A couple of factors in play here. Obviously the first is the reliability and strength of the dollar. If the dollar tanks, this can't work. The other factor is the issue of who controls the sea lanes in the world. Before the U.S., it was Britain - and the pound was the world's reserve currency.
February 23, 20223 yr 25 minutes ago, Kz! said: Yep, Putin will still do what he wants and the sanctions will admittedly hurt the American people So far, the sanctions don't affect us much since we hardly trade with Russia. It's going to hurt Western Europe a lot more than us.
February 23, 20223 yr 29 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: We agree on many points. I think we can do that without jumping into every conflict. You know Russia and China have been looking to replace the dollar for a long time now. Honestly, these type of sanctions could lead to that happening. If nothing else it will cause more of a financial impact to our economy and make the dollar even weaker. We can't just keep printing money and thinking it will be alright. To put it simply we are pretty weak right now and if the dollar will be replaced it's going to be continuing down this path. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter what we think. Leaders will do what they want and we go along for the ride. I know it seems counter-intuitive, but this conflict and sanctions actually strengthen the dollar as investors flock to safety. As for the impact to our economy -- if Russia invades Ukraine, the price of oil and energy is going higher no matter what.
February 23, 20223 yr 15 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: So far, the sanctions don't affect us much since we hardly trade with Russia. It's going to hurt Western Europe a lot more than us. Oh good. You should let CBS know: 11 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said:
February 23, 20223 yr 30 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: So far, the sanctions don't affect us much since we hardly trade with Russia. It's going to hurt Western Europe a lot more than us. Yep, and from what I have read, the market has already priced in this turmoil. Honestly, from what I am seeing, Putin is already rethinking his tactics. He still hasn’t rolled troops into the Ukraine controlled areas of the Donbas and he knows the sanctions will hurt Russia far worse. Germany refusing to certify NORDStream 2 is a huge hit.
February 23, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Procus said: Common people place much more emphasis on words than actions on the ground.
February 23, 20223 yr 51 minutes ago, Kz! said: Yep, Putin will still do what he wants and the sanctions will admittedly hurt the American people, but hopefully at least Russian citizens will be hurt worse. That's what we call a "win/win" in the political world. Sanction wars are fun and easy to win.
February 23, 20223 yr 42 minutes ago, Abracadabra said: Is that why NATO bombed Yugoslavia for two months straight and redefined it's borders? Wait...that's the same type of thing NATO is accusing Russia of doing. Apparently, redefining borders is fine if we follow NATO's example.
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