October 4, 20223 yr Sounds like another horrific day for the Russian people. We don’t get the Ukrainian casualty figures so it’s hard to grasp their loss but, regardless of their terrible leadership, my heart goes out to those Russian people dying in a war that means absolutely nothing for them or their families. Unreal that we still have leaders in the 21st century that knowingly put their people through this.
October 4, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, TEW said: You just co-signed a post that said removing nukes from Turkey was a face saving move for the USSR. It was not a face saving move at all — it was quid pro quo and the entire basis of the deal. And yes, it was the closest we’ve ever come to nuclear war. AND THERE WERE NO SHOTS FIRED. YOU ARE NOW AGITATING FOR DIRECT WAR WITH RUSSIA. THE ENTIRE LESSON OF THE CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS WAS TO AVOID DIRECT CONFRONTATIONS BETWEEN NUCLEAR POWERS AT ALL COSTS. EVERYTHING LEARNED FROM THAT CRISIS HAS BEEN LOST ON YOU. I haven’t called you a chicken hawk. That’s Gannan and company. I actually respect that you put your blood where your mouth is. It’s rare these days. That said, thank God you’re not in charge, because your view towards the possibility of a nuclear war is completely irresponsible. You can scream it as loud as you want but this all same 'ol TEW. You hide your racism behind flawed rationality. You hide your inhumanity towards immigrants behind flawed rationality (when you tell them to go fight for their own country). Now you're hiding your cowardice behind flawed rationality by saying since the start that Ukraine should put down their arms and not be helped in order to quicken their suffering. Same 'ol TEW, year in year out and yet none of this flawed rationality ever produces results, you get pretty much every major prediction wrong. You said we were owned by Putin because he's genius and now you want to crater to his demands because he's madman.
October 4, 20223 yr I will vouch for Abra. His labor as a dutiful comrade on this board has been exemplary. Give his family, SIX kg of fish!
October 4, 20223 yr 22 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: You can scream it as loud as you want but this all same 'ol TEW. You hide your racism behind flawed rationality. You hide your inhumanity towards immigrants behind flawed rationality (when you tell them to go fight for their own country). Now you're hiding your cowardice behind flawed rationality by saying since the start that Ukraine should put down their arms and not be helped in order to quicken their suffering. Same 'ol TEW, year in year out and yet none of this flawed rationality ever produces results, you get pretty much every major prediction wrong. You said we were owned by Putin because he's genius and now you want to crater to his demands because he's madman. How is it racist to say I don’t want to risk a nuclear war? How is it inhumane to tell people to fight for their own country? When have I ever said Ukrainians should lay down their arms? I’ve said the exact opposite — that Biden is doing a great job of supplying them with equipment and intel while also staying the F out of a direct confrontation. That’s exactly what we, and they, should be doing. When have I said "we were owned by Putin?” I said Russia has a legitimate strategic interest in the area, he saw an opening of weakness, and took his shot. His early campaign was wildly successful and our own generals were predicting the war to be over quickly. When have I said we should "crater to his demands?” I’d love to see that. Not getting in a direct shooting war with Russia is not the same as appeasement. Maybe instead of inventing sh** out of thin air you should try a little bit of that rationality that you speak about.
October 4, 20223 yr 13 hours ago, mayanh8 said: It all comes down to one question. Is a textbook narcissist (Putin) willing to basically commit suicide if he doesn't get what he wants? Anyone who knows anything about narcissism or knows someone like that knows they won't. It's why he's going full on delay mode. Think about it. Anyone who's actually crazy enough to use a tactical nuke and think they can get away with it would have already used it by now. Putin has only one option here. It's to extend the war for years in order to buy time. He's hoping another exit path will reveal itself sometime later on. That means our jobs are to compress the war timeline. Do whatever needs to be done to push Russians back to their borders and then bring Ukraine into NATO. It needs to be done before Russia can make any sort of meaningful recovery of its military apparatus, which will take years. Can anyone fill me in on how not wanting Ukraine to be pro West makes him a psychopath?
October 4, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, TEW said: You just co-signed a post that said removing nukes from Turkey was a face saving move for the USSR. It was not a face saving move at all — it was quid pro quo and the entire basis of the deal. And yes, it was the closest we’ve ever come to nuclear war. AND THERE WERE NO SHOTS FIRED. YOU ARE NOW AGITATING FOR DIRECT WAR WITH RUSSIA. THE ENTIRE LESSON OF THE CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS WAS TO AVOID DIRECT CONFRONTATIONS BETWEEN NUCLEAR POWERS AT ALL COSTS. EVERYTHING LEARNED FROM THAT CRISIS HAS BEEN LOST ON YOU. I haven’t called you a chicken hawk. That’s Gannan and company. I actually respect that you put your blood where your mouth is. It’s rare these days. That said, thank God you’re not in charge, because your view towards the possibility of a nuclear war is completely irresponsible. The entire lesson of the Cuban missile crisis (and my entire point) is negotiating from a position of strength and not a position of weakness. I feel sorry for you that you aren’t intelligent enough to understand the difference. You’ve embarrassed yourself more than usual in this thread, and that’s really saying something.
October 4, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: Can anyone fill me in on how not wanting Ukraine to be pro West makes him a psychopath? A narcissist, you mean? Everything. Literally everything we know about him.
October 4, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, mayanh8 said: A narcissist, you mean? Everything. Literally everything we know about him. But why is it wrong for him to want a pro Russian Ukraine? If it was me, I’d be ordering a reversal of the overthrow of Yanukovich. Was much better, nobody dying.
October 4, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: But why is it wrong for him to want a pro Russian Ukraine? Basic logic? Countries don’t get to tell other countries what to think from the barrel of a gun. What the hell is wrong with you?
October 4, 20223 yr 10 hours ago, Abracadabra said: Putin has never threatened to be the first to use nukes. Their nuclear doctrine is well known and hasn't changed. Russia has repeatedly said and put in writing that they would use nukes in two circumstances: 1. Nuclear weapons are used against Russia FIRST 2. The survival of the Russian state is in jeopardy. This is basically the same position of all nations that possess nukes. With the exception of you know who. The only ones who've used nukes. Justifiably........That always gets ignored......
October 4, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Gannan said: Basic logic? Countries don’t get to tell other countries what to think from the barrel of a gun. What the hell is wrong with you? Who pointed the gun? When was that?
October 4, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, Gannan said: Basic logic? Countries don’t get to tell other countries what to think from the barrel of a gun. What the hell is wrong with you? I had to read his post twice just make sure I wasn't missing anything.
October 4, 20223 yr Just now, 20dawk4life said: Delusional republicans are retarded The Putin apologists are even worse than the Trumpbots.
October 4, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: I’m looking for facts, you provide a cartoon I actually had nothing for you at all. Had no idea how to answer your question. I posted the meme separately but the posts were merged.
October 4, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, birdman#12 said: Justifiably........That always gets ignored...... Would it have been justifiable in 1968? The U.S. has used once and has come close to using nukes in Vietnam yet has the audacity to lecture others. The only government with a first use doctrine is the U.S..
October 4, 20223 yr Just now, Abracadabra said: Would it have been justifiable in 1968? The U.S. has used once and has come close to using nukes in Vietnam yet has the audacity to lecture others. The only government with a first use doctrine is the U.S.. Don’t you mean the British crown?
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