October 12, 20223 yr 41 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said: I seriously doubt Ukraine and the USA are allowing some regular space x shift workers who were just trying to establish internet for people in rural areas to suddenly control satellite communications for their military. You literally just got done trying to convince people that Elon is doing EXACTLY this out of pure charity. Now you're saying the complete opposite? 41 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said: Surely strategic positioning of these satellites, and information broadcast through them are going to be confidential. Not for Ned with his computer programming degree to know. I dont think these people have signed up for the change in job assignments. From working on launches to expand internet connectivity to thwarting Russian cyber attacks on their systems flying over Ukraine. Uhhh... it's just internet access, dude. The information passing through them, just like it does with any other ISP, is secured by the source and destination endpoints. Starlink has almost zero visibility into secured data that passes through their terminals. When the NSA or CIA conduct cyber espionage, how do you think they access the internet? Also, you need to Google what geostationary orbit means and how it relates to Starlink. There's nobody moving these satellites around. Their thrusters are only used to maintain their 300 mile altitude in orbit before they fall and burn up in the atmosphere after several years, as designed. 41 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said: If I was any of those regular Joes working for starlink, Id be worried about when Russia was going to poison me and disappear my family. Thats not the job they signed up for. That's stupid. 41 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said: Musk sent these satellites there because Ukraine asked and it was a noble thing to do. No. 41 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said: Likely, it was very soon after that point that US paid for all of the equipment and no doubt took control of those units that are serving Ukraine. Lol, no.
October 12, 20223 yr 19 minutes ago, mayanh8 said: You literally just got done trying to convince people that Elon is doing EXACTLY this out of pure charity. Now you're saying the complete opposite? Uhhh... it's just internet access, dude. The information passing through them, just like it does with any other ISP, is secured by the source and destination endpoints. Starlink has almost zero visibility into secured data that passes through their terminals. When the NSA or CIA conduct cyber espionage, how do you think they access the internet? Also, you need to Google what geostationary orbit means and how it relates to Starlink. There's nobody moving these satellites around. Their thrusters are only used to maintain their 300 mile altitude in orbit before they fall and burn up in the atmosphere after several years, as designed. That's stupid. No. Lol, no. Wrong
October 12, 20223 yr 23 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said: It's a completely sensible look. No, it's not. Musk has a lane he's good in. He's made the common tactical error that his success means he understands other lanes. He doesn't. He's being stupid and blundering into a situation he's more likely to CAUSE an incident in than prevent, because he doesn't understand geopolitics.
October 12, 20223 yr 15 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said: Wrong Everything word of my responses can be easily fact checked by Google. Not sure where all these Tom Clancy space war fan fiction ideas entered your head but I can assure you that none of them are tethered in reality.
October 12, 20223 yr Author 37 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said: It's a completely sensible look. The US govt paid for Starlink. This isn't a charity donation by Musk. It's not his to turn off or Howard Hughes 2.0 to decide what he thinks is best.
October 12, 20223 yr 16 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: No, it's not. Musk has a lane he's good in. He's made the common tactical error that his success means he understands other lanes. He doesn't. He's being stupid and blundering into a situation he's more likely to CAUSE an incident in than prevent, because he doesn't understand geopolitics. Incorrect
October 12, 20223 yr HE - "it's completely sensible for Elon to block Starlink access in Crimea." Also HE - "The US government has taken complete control over Ukraine Starlink."
October 12, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, DaEagles4Life said: The US govt paid for Starlink. This isn't a charity donation by Musk. It's not his to turn off or Howard Hughes 2.0 to decide what he thinks is best. Have you seen the contract? Cause I bet you can think of stuff you've paid for that can be turned off. Posting for it doesn't mean they necessarily have all the control. How do you know the US didn't disable it in Crimea?
October 12, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, mayanh8 said: HE - "it's completely sensible for Elon to block Starlink access in Crimea." Also HE - "The US government has taken complete control over Ukraine Starlink." There are a lot of ifs that no one knows. As much a you guys like to pretend here...
October 12, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said: There are a lot of ifs that no one knows. As much a you guys like to pretend here... Hey man, I'm just suggesting you take a few seconds to read your post before slapping that "Submit Reply" button and think about what you've just typed.
October 12, 20223 yr 15 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said: Incorrect Strong argument. I'm glad I subsidized your education.
October 12, 20223 yr 6 hours ago, HazletonEagle said: I thought it was obvious, but what I mean is he is not a military contractor. Especially, neither are his employees. I seriously doubt Ukraine and the USA are allowing some regular space x shift workers who were just trying to establish internet for people in rural areas to suddenly control satellite communications for their military. Surely strategic positioning of these satellites, and information broadcast through them are going to be confidential. Not for Ned with his computer programming degree to know. I dont think these people have signed up for the change in job assignments. From working on launches to expand internet connectivity to thwarting Russian cyber attacks on their systems flying over Ukraine. If I was any of those regular Joes working for starlink, Id be worried about when Russia was going to poison me and disappear my family. Thats not the job they signed up for. Musk sent these satellites there because Ukraine asked and it was a noble thing to do. Musk expressed some concern about his wellbeing during that time. Russians tried to shut those things down, and starlink people immediately rewrote code to thwart the attack. US military personnel spoke about how our military was going to actually need to learn from starlink how to do these things so efficiently. Likely, it was very soon after that point that US paid for all of the equipment and no doubt took control of those units that are serving Ukraine. Do Ukraine and Russia agree on that? SpaceX has been a military contractor for years. They've literally sent DOD satellites into orbit. Holy F are you thick. Also it's not military satellite comms in the sense of regular satellite comms. It's an access point for the internet to enable IP comms. You're trying to defend the guy but you don't even know how Starlink works. Also as stated there's no strategic positioning of these satellites. Also, for Fs sake reality isn't a Bond or Borne movie where government agents routinely would do anything against government contractors from other countries. Also you say there's no doubt that the US DOD took over this program. They didn't. That's not how a government contract works. At all. 4 hours ago, HazletonEagle said: Have you seen the contract? Cause I bet you can think of stuff you've paid for that can be turned off. Posting for it doesn't mean they necessarily have all the control. How do you know the US didn't disable it in Crimea? Did you just equate a nine figure DOD contract to a household bill? You speak like someone who's YouTube front page is full of Jordan Peterson videos.
October 12, 20223 yr 11 hours ago, Tnt4philly said: That’s cool. I was in Iraq for 12 months, didn’t make me an expert on all things Iraq. I appreciate your perspective but it doesn’t make your opinion about US troops going head to head with Russian any more or less correct. Can we all agree they Efflin isn’t an Effin closer. I don't purport myself to be an expert on any subject matter. Everyone has an opinion shaped by their intelligence, personality, experience, and observations.
October 12, 20223 yr 8 hours ago, HazletonEagle said: Do Ukraine and Russia agree on that? Exactly. You want to have it both ways.
October 12, 20223 yr 8 hours ago, HazletonEagle said: Wrong You should stick to taping ankles if you're not gonna even bother to be the least bit informed on topics outside of your expertise.
October 12, 20223 yr 55 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said: Exactly. You want to have it both ways. Wrong. Just using logic. Basic reasoning skills lack in here.
October 12, 20223 yr Just now, HazletonEagle said: Wrong. Just using logic. Basic reasoning skills lack in here. Your degree is not in a logic based field. And it's definitely not in geopolitics.
October 12, 20223 yr 7 hours ago, HazletonEagle said: Have you seen the contract? Cause I bet you can think of stuff you've paid for that can be turned off. Posting for it doesn't mean they necessarily have all the control. How do you know the US didn't disable it in Crimea?
October 12, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: You should stick to taping ankles if you're not gonna even bother to be the least bit informed on topics outside of your expertise. As stated at least twice, I don't know the details of the contract between the government and Space X. Neither do any of you. And it really doesn't even matter when it comes to why Musk would be wise enough to not help with the take over of Crimea.
October 12, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Your degree is not in a logic based field. And it's definitely not in geopolitics. 1st, wrong. As usual. Second, I'm sure you asll don't have a degree in geopolitics.
October 12, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said: As stated at least twice, I don't know literally anything but decided to weigh in anyway to make myself look as stupid as possible. fyp
October 12, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: fyp That goes for all of you. But i clearly have the strongest logic based on the basics that we know.
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