October 12, 20223 yr 22 minutes ago, paco said: Wrong. And I got out. You're probably not even sure if you were ever in. You don't know where it is.
October 12, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said: You're probably not even sure if you were ever in. You don't know where it is. Wrong
October 12, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, HazletonEagle said: You dont see how helping Ukraine expand its borders in to territory that Russia believes is theirs could be an inciting factor? Russia thinks all of Ukraine is theirs dipsheet.
October 12, 20223 yr 15 minutes ago, dawkdaballhawk said: https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2022/03/04/microsoft-suspends-russia-sales-ukraine-conflict/
October 12, 20223 yr 14 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said: Russia thinks all of Ukraine is theirs dipsheet. Yes... I know... you are hopeless...
October 12, 20223 yr Microsoftsuspend new sales in Russia but continue existing access. That exactly matches what the tweet says. Microsoft supports Russia! https://som.yale.edu/story/2022/over-1000-companies-have-curtailed-operations-russia-some-remain?company=Microsoft&country= Or maybe Yale is lying as well. LMAO
October 12, 20223 yr 5 hours ago, ToastJenkins said: Musk has always been a weird dude prone to odd outbursts. Probably on the spectrum somewhere. No doubt brilliant. He’s been pretty public about having Asperger’s. https://www.axios.com/2022/04/15/elon-musk-aspergers-syndrome
October 12, 20223 yr Not even sure what the right play is. You don’t want to cede anything to Russia, but if a war is going to go on in perpetuity, are you really going to just let the bodies pile up without even considering some kind of negotiation?
October 12, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, TEW said: Not even sure what the right play is. You don’t want to cede anything to Russia, but if a war is going to go on in perpetuity, are you really going to just let the bodies pile up without even considering some kind of negotiation? Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia
October 12, 20223 yr Obama: Ukraine 'Vulnerable' To Russian 'Military Domination' No Matter What U.S. Does https://www.rferl.org/a/obama-ukraine-vulnerable-russian-military-domination/27603145.html Obama is a Russian asset
October 12, 20223 yr 26 minutes ago, TEW said: Not even sure what the right play is. You don’t want to cede anything to Russia, but if a war is going to go on in perpetuity, are you really going to just let the bodies pile up without even considering some kind of negotiation? Not to be too crass about it, but...they're not our bodies. From a US perspective, this is going about as well as can be hoped for. Given some of the anger building in Russia, you stay on this strategy to see if real change can be initiated.
October 12, 20223 yr Quote The Other Border KTUU-TV reported that on Oct. 4, a small boat carrying two men landed near the community of Gambell on northern St. Lawrence Island, Alaska. According to town clerk Curtis Silook, the men told villagers they had sailed over 300 miles from Egvekinot in northeastern Russia and were trying to escape the Russian military draft. Sen. Dan Sullivan conferred with the Department of Homeland Security, and Gov. Mike Dunleavy said they were transported to Anchorage, where federal authorities were sorting out their status. "We don't anticipate a continual stream of individuals or a flotilla," Dunleavy said. Understandable, but damn. 300 miles across that sea in a small boat?
October 12, 20223 yr 36 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Not to be too crass about it, but...they're not our bodies. From a US perspective, this is going about as well as can be hoped for. Given some of the anger building in Russia, you stay on this strategy to see if real change can be initiated. Yeah, that’s definitely the cold calculated move from our position. But let’s just be honest — as you have been — about what we’re talking about here: we are purposely going to let tens of thousands of people die for our strategic interests without even an attempt to avert their deaths. It’s a ruthless move, even if it’s the right one from a geopolitical perspective.
October 12, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, TEW said: Yeah, that’s definitely the cold calculated move from our position. But let’s just be honest — as you have been — about what we’re talking about here: we are purposely going to let tens of thousands of people die for our strategic interests without even an attempt to avert their deaths. It’s a ruthless move, even if it’s the right one from a geopolitical perspective. The problem is there is no better option. If we tried to force Ukraine to the negotiating table, we'd strengthen Putin while simultaneously unraveling all the work we've done in re-establishing the NATO alliance and western order after Trump tried to burn it to the ground. And...we run the risk of Zelensky defying us, or at least calling our bluff. We tell him to negotiate or no more aid, he says no and leaks it -- now, we look like idiots and we can't actually cut off aid and allow greater slaughter. The other extreme is committing NATO forces to rout Russia, which is insane. Show me the better option.
October 12, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, TEW said: Yeah, that’s definitely the cold calculated move from our position. But let’s just be honest — as you have been — about what we’re talking about here: we are purposely going to let tens of thousands of people die for our strategic interests without even an attempt to avert their deaths. It’s a ruthless move, even if it’s the right one from a geopolitical perspective. We purposely let people die in wars all over the globe all the time and rarely attempt to avert their deaths. I'm good with us supporting the Ukraine as we are, and not entering a shooting war with Russia.
October 12, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, Toastrel said: We purposely let people die in wars all over the globe all the time and rarely attempt to avert their deaths. I'm good with us supporting the Ukraine as we are, and not entering a shooting war with Russia. I don’t disagree that we do this all the time. I’m just sick of people moralizing war when in reality it’s a cold blooded strategic decision. Also don’t disagree that I’m fine with supporting them but not entering ourselves.
October 12, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, TEW said: Not even sure what the right play is. You don’t want to cede anything to Russia, but if a war is going to go on in perpetuity, are you really going to just let the bodies pile up without even considering some kind of negotiation? Its all in the optics. When it comes, and it certainly will, it has to appear that ukraine is making the offer and its not us forcing them to
October 12, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, TEW said: I don’t disagree that we do this all the time. I’m just sick of people moralizing war when in reality it’s a cold blooded strategic decision. Also don’t disagree that I’m fine with supporting them but not entering ourselves. How the F do you remove moralizing? Sorry to burst your bubble - generally speaking, the aggressor is the a-hole that drags the other side into war. It is very easy to take the moral high ground, when your opponent picks a fight, targets civilians and generally acts like a huge dewsh.
October 12, 20223 yr Just now, Toastrel said: How the F do you remove moralizing? Sorry to burst your bubble - generally speaking, the aggressor is the a-hole that drags the other side into war. It is very easy to take the moral high ground, when your opponent picks a fight, targets civilians and generally acts like a huge dewsh. It’s harder to take the moral high ground when you knowingly and purposefully prolong a war that gets tens of thousands of people killed purely out of geopolitical interest.
October 12, 20223 yr 20 minutes ago, vikas83 said: The problem is there is no better option. If we tried to force Ukraine to the negotiating table, we'd strengthen Putin while simultaneously unraveling all the work we've done in re-establishing the NATO alliance and western order after Trump tried to burn it to the ground. And...we run the risk of Zelensky defying us, or at least calling our bluff. We tell him to negotiate or no more aid, he says no and leaks it -- now, we look like idiots and we can't actually cut off aid and allow greater slaughter. The other extreme is committing NATO forces to rout Russia, which is insane. Show me the better option. He seems to think the other option is nuclear war most days…
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