October 14, 20223 yr 12 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Yeah I agree Musk is overreacting, but it's also a situation where the Ukrainian telling him to "f off" seems like just adding fire to a situation. The reality is that Ukraine is in a MUCH better place if they can ensure access to Starlink, so the guy would have been better off biting his lip or at least being more, uh, diplomatic. Musk is totally out of line playing at any of these geopolitical games around Ukraine-Russia. And from what I understand Starlink terminals were largely bought and paid for by the US Gov't, though internet access itself is a separate fee and being paid from other funds. Some terminals have not been paid for, but that is less than 20%. Given how dependent SpaceX is on US Gov't funding, he too is playing a stupid game here. Musk is absolutely the biggest d-bag in the room on this. Whether he's been paid "in full" at this stage, he's still realized tens of millions in revenue from this Ukraine-Starlink operation, and with so much other revenue outside of this also derived from the US Gov't he's being quite a fool. Just don't also need Ukrainians lobbing verbal molotovs to complicate it. This rumor started days ago and I dismissed it, but...some on the street are speculating that Musk is purposely trying to massively anger the government/become a national security problem in the hopes that they block the TWTR deal. If the government blocked it, he gets out without owing a dime. According to court filings, Musk is being investigating by federal authorities for "his conduct in connection with the acquisition of Twitter."
October 14, 20223 yr 27 minutes ago, dawkdaballhawk said: China is committing genocide. The world has no plan to stop it. The missing plan to save the Uyghurs. https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2022/9/14/23351153/china-uyghur-muslim-genocide-xinjiang-united-nations One of several genocides still happening across the globe. Should we give HIMARS to the Uyghurs? In other words, most politicians don’t really care about some genocides. The Uyghurs aren't a sovereign country, brainlet.
October 14, 20223 yr 19 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Yeah I agree Musk is overreacting, but it's also a situation where the Ukrainian telling him to "f off" seems like just adding fire to a situation. The reality is that Ukraine is in a MUCH better place if they can ensure access to Starlink, so the guy would have been better off biting his lip or at least being more, uh, diplomatic. Musk is totally out of line playing at any of these geopolitical games around Ukraine-Russia. And from what I understand Starlink terminals were largely bought and paid for by the US Gov't, though internet access itself is a separate fee and being paid from other funds. Some terminals have not been paid for, but that is less than 20%. Given how dependent SpaceX is on US Gov't funding, he too is playing a stupid game here. Musk is absolutely the biggest d-bag in the room on this. Whether he's been paid "in full" at this stage, he's still realized tens of millions in revenue from this Ukraine-Starlink operation, and with so much other revenue outside of this also derived from the US Gov't he's being quite a fool. Just don't also need Ukrainians lobbing verbal molotovs to complicate it. Could have been avoided if they had a signed contract and exchanged funds for services.
October 14, 20223 yr 12 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said: Not just the govt funding for space X but if he creates too much negative publicity, the rest of his companies will suffer too. Tons of people could boycot tesla. Cars, roofs, energy storage, etc. People could boycot starlink in their homes (though many of those who have it, have it because they had no other option). But he could also lose his deal with Royal Caribbean to be the wifi provider on their entire fleet of ships. If other companies choose to not be associated with him he stands to lose a TON of business. He has to be too smart to let that happen. But he does deserve to play a little game of chicken here until that ambassador eats his words. Hopefully that guy has heard from members of US and Ukraine's governments to ream him a new arse. Melnyk is the Ukrainian ambassador to Germany, not to the US. Not really our place to be reprimanding him for what he told Musk on social media.
October 14, 20223 yr 21 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Yeah I agree Musk is overreacting, but it's also a situation where the Ukrainian telling him to "f off" seems like just adding fire to a situation. The reality is that Ukraine is in a MUCH better place if they can ensure access to Starlink, so the guy would have been better off biting his lip or at least being more, uh, diplomatic. Musk is totally out of line playing at any of these geopolitical games around Ukraine-Russia. And from what I understand Starlink terminals were largely bought and paid for by the US Gov't, though internet access itself is a separate fee and being paid from other funds. Some terminals have not been paid for, but that is less than 20%. Given how dependent SpaceX is on US Gov't funding, he too is playing a stupid game here. Musk is absolutely the biggest d-bag in the room on this. Whether he's been paid "in full" at this stage, he's still realized tens of millions in revenue from this Ukraine-Starlink operation, and with so much other revenue outside of this also derived from the US Gov't he's being quite a fool. Just don't also need Ukrainians lobbing verbal molotovs to complicate it. 6 minutes ago, vikas83 said: This rumor started days ago and I dismissed it, but...some on the street are speculating that Musk is purposely trying to massively anger the government/become a national security problem in the hopes that they block the TWTR deal. If the government blocked it, he gets out without owing a dime. According to court filings, Musk is being investigating by federal authorities for "his conduct in connection with the acquisition of Twitter." Honestly, you can look at his comments go from "oh we can't have WWIII" to "give me money".
October 14, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, vikas83 said: This rumor started days ago and I dismissed it, but...some on the street are speculating that Musk is purposely trying to massively anger the government/become a national security problem in the hopes that they block the TWTR deal. If the government blocked it, he gets out without owing a dime. According to court filings, Musk is being investigating by federal authorities for "his conduct in connection with the acquisition of Twitter." That would be some stupid "look at me I'm playing 4D chess" derpy move.
October 14, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Melnyk is the Ukrainian ambassador to Germany, not to the US. Not really our place to be reprimanding him for what he told Musk on social media. US paid for the stuff. US also has significant interest in the success of Ukraine's troops (communication is obviously kind of important for them). This guy is Fing up the deal with his little outburst. US should be pissed at him, as well as Ukraine. They both need to educate the guy on what is at stake and who he just pissed off. And its probably not just Musk that he pissed off. He created issues for the DoD apparently too if theyre paying for this and now have to deal with Musk's tantrum.
October 14, 20223 yr Someone here needs to read up on the definition of genocide. https://www.wordnik.com/words/genocide
October 14, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said: US paid for the stuff. US also has significant interest in the success of Ukraine's troops (communication is obviously kind of important for them). This guy is Fing up the deal with his little outburst. US should be pissed at him, as well as Ukraine. They both need to educate the guy on what is at stake and who he just pissed off. And its probably not just Musk that he pissed off. He created issues for the DoD apparently too if theyre paying for this and now have to deal with Musk's tantrum. Again, the deal is between the DoD and Musk. Not really our job to go after what the Ukrainian ambassador to some other country said because Musk got his feelings hurt on social media. If he doesn't want to honor any existing agreements or continue to deal in good faith then fine, that's his choice.
October 14, 20223 yr 44 minutes ago, dawkdaballhawk said: China is committing genocide. The world has no plan to stop it. The missing plan to save the Uyghurs. https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2022/9/14/23351153/china-uyghur-muslim-genocide-xinjiang-united-nations One of several genocides still happening across the globe. Should we give HIMARS to the Uyghurs? In other words, most politicians don’t really care about some genocides. Stop deflecting, Abra. 2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Again, the deal is between the DoD and Musk. Not really our job to go after what the Ukrainian ambassador to some other country said because Musk got his feelings hurt on social media. If he doesn't want to honor any existing agreements or continue to deal in good faith then fine, that's his choice. But the guy said something mean to him!
October 14, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Again, the deal is between the DoD and Musk. Not really our job to go after what the Ukrainian ambassador to some other country said because Musk got his feelings hurt on social media. If he doesn't want to honor any existing agreements or continue to deal in good faith then fine, that's his choice. Exactly, the fact that Musk is enough of a child to go out of his way to try to tell another country in a war how they should negotiate and then get butthurt when they tell him to stay in his lane says a lot about the type of person he is.
October 14, 20223 yr If Musk wants to give a country at war starlink access, and then decide to start charging them for it shortly after, he should be allowed to do so, and rightly mocked for being a dirt bag.
October 14, 20223 yr When a member of NATO works with Putin. I guess we kick out Turkey as well. Maybe we should sell them f-16s https://www.cato.org/commentary/why-turkey-still-nato
October 14, 20223 yr 27 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said: You guys are so stupid... Coming from you, that isn't worth stepping in. Have a lovely weekend, stable genius.
October 14, 20223 yr 28 minutes ago, dawkdaballhawk said: When a member of NATO works with Putin. I guess we kick out Turkey as well. Maybe we should sell them f-16s https://www.cato.org/commentary/why-turkey-still-nato I bet that **** Nuland is having a hissy fit.
October 14, 20223 yr 15 minutes ago, Abracadabra said: Your 30 day trial period has expired. Now Abra is literally responding to himself. What a weirdo
October 14, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, Abracadabra said: Look guys, this Communist Authoritarian thinks democracy is fascism!
October 14, 20223 yr Damn inducer motor just took a crap on my furnace, so Ive decided to protest Putin and go without heat until the new part comes in Take that, Russia
October 14, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said: What a lovely guy to quote, bozo. He has been getting less reactions lately, he has to stir the pot. Right, @Abracadabra?
October 14, 20223 yr 6 hours ago, Toastrel said: If Musk wants to give a country at war starlink access, and then decide to start charging them for it shortly after, he should be allowed to do so, and rightly mocked for being a dirt bag. Like you've done more than run your keyboard on their behalf. 😆
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