From Time

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The Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs confirmed overnight from Tuesday to Wednesday that a "Russian-made projectile” reached its territory. "At 3:40 p.m. (2:40 p.m. GMT), in the village of Przewodów (…), a Russian-made projectile fell, killing two citizens of the Republic of Poland”, according to a press release from Lukasz Jasina, the door -spokesman of the ministry, indicating that the Russian ambassador has been summoned for "detailed explanations”.

You'll notice they say "Russian-made" rather than just "Russian". Meanwhile, the BBC is saying that their experts who examined the wreckage pics think it may be part of an SA-10.

 

Nothing in that is saying it was Russia. Just that it was Russian made and a Russian system both, Russia and Ukraine has been using. 

This is a good story for the media to get some clicks and views that is about it,  it was either it was an accident or missile shot down, Nato will make some harsh speeches  maybe Putin's barber gets sanctioned and that is it

22 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

This is a good story for the media to get some clicks and views that is about it,  it was either it was an accident or missile shot down, Nato will make some harsh speeches  maybe Putin's barber gets sanctioned and that is it

2024 is coming and Biden is on the clock. Just saying.

Russian made but launched by the Ukraine is now the official story. Temp can drop again even if it was a Russian mistake and the real bishing is being held away from the press. 

WSJ: Missile That Hit Poland Likely Launched by Ukraine in Air Defense, Western Officials Say

What's the state of Ukraine's railway network this morning? Might be difficult to get supplies to the NATO occupiers of Kherson. 

Hmm...

10 minutes ago, Abracadabra said:

What's the state of Ukraine's railway network this morning? Might be difficult to get supplies to the NATO occupiers of Kherson. 

Hmm...

Kherson. Kherson?

Isn't that the place you laughed about when it was suggested Russian incompetence would lose that too?

Must be difficult to find troops, since Russia is forced to conscript protesters.

What a beautiful day.

The rail network is fine. Wherever it's been hit by attacks it's swiftly repaired. Ukraine does not have many rail bridges to target, which makes targeting rail a waste for Russia - but by all means keep doing so.

If Russia wants to risk NATO intervention by trying to hit rail near Poland.. well, do so at your own peril. If Russia actually wants to pick a fight with NATO at this stage, they're basically saying they're going to go nuclear because NATO's regular army would smoke Russia in conventional warfare.

https://news.yahoo.com/war-not-excuse-ukraine-rail-115814083.html

20 hours ago, Bill said:

Nah, but i can guarantee that Ukraine is pretty much going to be able to get whatever the F weapon it wants now.

More SAMs... the logistics of supporting an air force are pretty steep and is likely not an achievable goal anytime soon (i.e., F-16s), but if the West can keep the Ukrainians' ground air defense supplied the Ruskies can't do much with their air fleet which is critical strategically. 

 

As Bombs Rained Down, Ukrainian Troops Set A Trap For Russia’s Pilots

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/11/10/as-bombs-rained-down-ukrainian-troops-bravely-set-a-trap-for-russias-pilots/?sh=68848024d5b7

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The Russian air force had deployed three times as many fighters and attack planes as the Ukrainian air force had in its entire inventory. Ukraine’s air defenses were disorganized and, in the case of certain key long-range radars, sitting out in the open where the Russians easily could target them.

 

The Russians had a firepower advantage. The Ukrainians had the same advantages every defender possesses over an invader: motivation, simpler logistics, familiar terrain. Either side might’ve prevailed—the Russians by dominating the air, the Ukrainians by preventing the Russians from dominating the air.

 

We know how it turned out. The Russian air campaign fizzled. Ukrainian air defenses stiffened. By month nine of the wider war, the Ukrainians were counterattacking, the Russians were retreating and the Russian air force was losing more planes and helicopters than the Ukrainian air force was. A lot more.

 

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That’s when Ukraine’s most important air defenses—its Buk mobile missiles—forced Russian air crews into a deadly, low-altitude trap. One that badly bloodied Russia’s best flying regiments and set the conditions for the aerial impasse that has come to define the war.

 

When Russian forces barreled into Ukraine on the night of Feb. 24, Ukraine’s air defenses barely were ready. The Ukrainian army and air force’s long-range S-300 missile batteries largely depended on hundreds of fixed radar installations, the locations of which the Russian air force’s Sukhoi Su-24MR reconnaissance jets had sussed out.

Suck it, commies!!

20 hours ago, vikas83 said:

OK - this would be the way out. Ukraine intercepted the missile, remnants hit Poland. Poland could still push for retaliation, but this is a nuanced way to avoid disaster.

And here is the nuanced response from NATO:

 

1 hour ago, Toastrel said:

 

As Bombs Rained Down, Ukrainian Troops Set A Trap For Russia’s Pilots

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/11/10/as-bombs-rained-down-ukrainian-troops-bravely-set-a-trap-for-russias-pilots/?sh=68848024d5b7

 

Suck it, commies!!

For those of us wondering "well, what trap?

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That trap was the thousands of man-portable air-defense systems that Ukraine had received from its foreign allies. A Stinger MANPADS might range just five miles or so. But the sheer density of Stingers and other MANPADS along the front made low flying only slightly less deadly for Russian pilots than medium or high flying.

There was nowhere for the Russians to go to escape Ukrainian missiles. "The results were predictable, with at least eight assorted [Sukhoi] Su-25, Su-30 and Su-34 jets being shot down by MANPADS in a week,” Bronk, Reynolds and Watling wrote.

 

4 minutes ago, paco said:

For those of us wondering "well, what trap?

 

MANPADS for the win, baby! 

On 11/15/2022 at 10:26 AM, Bill said:

You guys just need to ignore him. Honestly once i popped my ignore cherry, I'm ignoring people right and left. I feel like Wyatt Earp at Tombstone. Some idiot poster pops out behind a **** take, and *BAM* ignore list.

The mods don't want you to know this, but you can ignore as many as you want. I've ignored 500 posters.

Like this post if you have me on ignore OR are not sexuality attracted to Roddy McDowell 

18 minutes ago, Lloyd said:

MANPADS for the win, baby! 

Is that what @Abracadabra has to wear every 28 days?

 

 

 

So winning a war is more expensive than losing it?  Is that the moral here?

I'm pretty sure if you asked any (sane) US politician if they'd pay $90 billion to bankrupt and embarrass arguably their biggest foreign enemy in Russia, while strengthening NATO and without any direct US troop involvement and risk of retaliation, they'd take it in a heartbeat. 

100 billion to "embarrass" another nation, not to mention the 100,000 dead Ukrainians, while Detroit doesn't have clean drinking water.

These are the priorities of a declining empire. 

Just now, Abracadabra said:

100 billion to "embarrass" another nation, not to mention the 100,000 dead Ukrainians, while Detroit doesn't have clean drinking water.

These are the priorities of a declining empire. 

The dead Ukrainians are on Russia. I know you are not really very bright, but come on, stop licking the inside of your own rectum.

Meanwhile, the priorities of Russia;

Expose the fact that oligarchs sold off all the good military hardware, to the point where they are sending in untrained kids with mom's tampons.

The vaunted Russian military failed in every objective, other than 'destroying' the land they say they are there to liberate.

Round up anyone who dares protest the war and jail them (or send them into battle - bet they are really effective troops)

 

8 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

The dead Ukrainians are on Russia. I know you are not really very bright, but come on, stop licking the inside of your own rectum.

Meanwhile, the priorities of Russia;

Expose the fact that oligarchs sold off all the good military hardware, to the point where they are sending in untrained kids with mom's tampons.

The vaunted Russian military failed in every objective, other than 'destroying' the land they say they are there to liberate.

Round up anyone who dares protest the war and jail them (or send them into battle - bet they are really effective troops)

 

Even if your cartoon imagination were real, that would mean you're slightly better off than dirt. 

Like a good little weasel, your aspirations are no higher than looking down at your fellow man. And you'll live with that, telling yourself that you feel content. Knowing all the while what you really are is depraved and debased. 

27 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

The dead Ukrainians are on Russia. I know you are not really very bright, but come on, stop licking the inside of your own rectum.

Meanwhile, the priorities of Russia;

Expose the fact that oligarchs sold off all the good military hardware, to the point where they are sending in untrained kids with mom's tampons.

The vaunted Russian military failed in every objective, other than 'destroying' the land they say they are there to liberate.

Round up anyone who dares protest the war and jail them (or send them into battle - bet they are really effective troops)

 

If Abra feels it’s a declining empire he is free to GTFO!

5 hours ago, Toastrel said:

"In the first week of March ... Ukrainian SAMs began to inflict significant losses on Russian attack sorties,” the RUSI analysts wrote. At the same time, the Russian brigades rolling toward Kyiv were getting bogged down by poor leadership, incompetent logistics and of course a determined Ukrainian defense.

The Russian air force "switched from attacks on Ukrainian air-defense capabilities to attempts to support the ground forces directly,” Bronk, Reynolds and Watling explained.

Very reminiscent of the Battle of Britain.  The Germans started that air campaign by attacking British airfields and radar sites and had the Brits on their heels.  But after a British bomber hit a German city by mistake, Hitler ordered the Luftwaffe to switch to attacking British cities; that break allowed the RAF to recover and ultimately win the battle.