18 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

What’s the name of the treaty?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Assurances
 

the Six Assurances, my man

56 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

So should we be changing who we vote for based upon how other world leaders will change their moves?

Most people outside of CVON realized that a weak president would cause the crazy nations to feel like they can do whatever they want. 

For all the people who claim to not be Biden supporters that just wanted anyone but Trump, this is what they choose as the lesser evil.  War.

Idiots.

1 hour ago, Ace Nova said:

The sad part, he's probably right.  Next to zero chance this happens if he was still president.  Say what you will, the Biden administration's foreign policy has been weak.  (That's putting it politely).

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Most people outside of CVON realized that a weak president would cause the crazy nations to feel like they can do whatever they want. 

For all the people who claim to not be Biden supporters that just wanted anyone but Trump, this is what they choose as the lesser evil.  War.

Idiots.

That's simply false. 

There's literally nothing Trump would do differently, other than make stupid statements like "why SHOULDN'T Putin invade Ukraine??" and claim no responsibility to do anything about it.

Have Trumopbots made clear yet which option they would choose here? Is it "bomb Russia" or have we not gotten past the "old man bad" stage yet?

 

 

2 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Have Trumopbots made clear yet which option they would choose here? Is it "bomb Russia" or have we not gotten past the "old man bad" stage yet?

No they'd rather fantasize about a farcical hypothetical where Trump - whose fawning over authoritarians and man-crush on Putin is public knowledge - would somehow have not allowed this invasion to happen because Trump is "strong."

4 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

That's simply false. 

There's literally nothing Trump would do differently, other than make stupid statements like "why SHOULDN'T Putin invade Ukraine??" and claim no responsibility to do anything about it.

Wrong

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

Wrong

 

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

Wrong

Trump wants the US out of NATO and thinks Putin's invasion is genius, but yeah, he would finally stop being Putin's useful idiot. For the love of God, keep the idea of that man back in the WH far from reality.

Of all the reasons to miss Trump as president, "strong stances against Russia" and "support for the Ukraine" has to be one of the dumbest. And that's really saying something. 

4 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Trump is "strong."

 

Cucks gonna cuck...

Metadata from Putin's declaration of war video shows it was recorded Monday. When Putin sycophants were still parroting Kremlin talking points that Russia was not going to invade. And if course before the false flag BS under which they are now claiming justification for this invasion of a sovereign state.

Also unconfirmed reports that NATO is executing its defensive plans to hedge against Russia deciding to keep pushing west.

Everything you want to say to rationalize your Biden vote,  and try to put down "trumpbots" is just out of guilt.  Sorry you did that to yourselves. Hope the stupid posts help you feel better. 

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

Everything you want to say to rationalize your Biden vote,  and try to put down "trumpbots" is just out of guilt.  Sorry you did that to yourselves. Hope the stupid posts help you feel better. 

You’re are wrong here HE. Trump would have done nothing. 

https://v.redd.it/pyz7o0z2aqj81

Hillary talking about Ukraine in 2019.

You had your chance to elect a "tough" Democrat, instead you chose a carnival barker.

If you insist that Biden has somehow been weak on foreign policy (an opinion that is based on "democrat man bad" not actual policy), you can point to picking Trump in 2016 as one major reason we have Biden in 2022.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Everything you want to say to rationalize your Biden vote,  and try to put down "trumpbots" is just out of guilt.  Sorry you did that to yourselves. Hope the stupid posts help you feel better. 

I'd pick Biden over Trump every time. I'd do it again, easily.

Blame Republicans for nominating a corrupt grifter with zero experience that would suggest he could possibly handle being president who spent the last 8 years doing more to divide the nation than Putin has managed in 20.

2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

You’re are wrong here HE. Trump would have done nothing. 

I mean there is a real chance this wouldn't have happened with Trump still in power, just not for the reasons HE and others in here think. He would have continued to weaken NATO at every turn, fought back against westernization attempts by the Ukraine, and continue to gargle Putin's balls constantly. He may have avoided war by being the pathetic cuck that he is. Real presidential stuff. 

8 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Everything you want to say to rationalize your Biden vote,  and try to put down "trumpbots" is just out of guilt.  Sorry you did that to yourselves. Hope the stupid posts help you feel better. 

 The only thing I regret is you getting your student loans forgiven.

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Everything you want to say to rationalize your Biden vote,  and try to put down "trumpbots" is just out of guilt.  Sorry you did that to yourselves. Hope the stupid posts help you feel better. 

 

There is literally no rationalization needed for voting against the fascist traitor.

Aren't you the guy who was just fawning over Big Daddy Biden cancelling your debt? Pro-tip: Maybe clean the cream off your lips next time before you start going after Biden voters.

It’s amazing how insecure Biden voters are. Trump lives rent free in your heads. Everything always comes back to Trump.

Full disclosure, I voted for Biden and have never voted for Trump.

2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

I mean there is a real chance this wouldn't have happened with Trump still in power, just not for the reasons HE and others in here think. He would have continued to weaken NATO at every turn, fought back against westernization attempts by the Ukraine, and continue to gargle Putin's balls constantly. He may have avoided war by being the pathetic cuck that he is. Real presidential stuff. 

So he would have delayed the invasion to such a time when Ukraine was even less capable of mounting a defense. Plausible, but I think the timing here was more related to NS2's completion.

I think Putin thinks he can outlast the immediate negative pushback from the west. He may well be right if the West lacks resolve, because we know Putin won't personally feel any pain from sanctions.

That's the concern at this point, finding sanctions that make Putin and his circle feel pain. Unfortunately he doesn't care what sort of pain the people of Russia will feel because he has so much control over the narrative. The fact that Russians are cynical about how corrupt their leaders are and have accepted it helps him.

(FWIW this is exactly the danger of normalizing and he level of corruption that Trump demonstrated. Congress should NOT be able to trade equities directly, and presidents need to stop getting rich after they're out of office.)

4 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

It’s amazing how insecure Biden voters are. Trump lives rent free in your heads. Everything always comes back to Trump.

Full disclosure, I voted for Biden and have never voted for Trump.

Of course it comes back to Trump. Because that was the decision in the most recent election: Trump or Biden.

Edit: not to mention the numerous instances of Trumplicans in here claiming if Trump was president this wouldn't have happened. Which is when Trump really started being discussed. And of course Trump is out there saying the election being stolen is the direct cause of this invasion

If Biden doesn't cut Russia from SWIFT you'll hear me talking about being too weak. But if Trump had been making exactly the same moves Biden had made, which is basically everything he could possibly do short of committing the US military to Ukraine's defense (which would invite an actual hot war with Russia), Trumplicans would be in here defending him vociferously.

You know that's true. 

4 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

It’s amazing how insecure Biden voters are. Trump lives rent free in your heads. Everything always comes back to Trump.

Full disclosure, I voted for Biden and have never voted for Trump.

Hazelton is the one who brought up Trump moron.