Griners sentence was insane to begin with.  Almost as insane as this swap.  They get a guy convicted of conspiracy to kill Americans , for a basketball player that hates her county.  Meanwhile,  we leave Whelan over there to rot. Great trade Joe.  

2 minutes ago, Captain F said:

Griners sentence was insane to begin with.  Almost as insane as this swap.  They get a guy convicted of conspiracy to kill Americans , for a basketball player that hates her county.  Meanwhile,  we leave Whalen over there to rot. Great trade Joe.  

Poor Paul Whelan 

17 minutes ago, barho said:

Glad she is on her way home, but at the same time angered by what we gave up for an athlete.  She should receive a major tough lashing over her sheer stupidity in the first place.  We gave up a major arms dealer for her and it may wind up putting large numbers of lives at risk.  Many of the athletes in this country are just complete morons.  She shouldn't be celebrated here at home.                                           

agreed, she brought all of this upon herself. 

34 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

true, but you know if russia wants him back there's a reason.

Russian intelligence wants him back, is what I hear. He is former USSR military.

I guess Whelan has come out as trans now 

2 hours ago, Jsvand12 said:

It’s funny that you think them having the power knocked out is going to make them want to allow Putin to take their land and make them second class citizens (Assuming Putin doesn’t just have them killed).

Many will accept the fact that they need to come to some sort of accommodation with their neighbor. Not all Ukrainians will prefer to remain as pawns for the colonialists. Russia isn't going anywhere. The U.S. will leave them twisting in the wind when they're no longer useful.

1 minute ago, Abracadabra said:

Many will accept the fact that they need to come to some sort of accommodation with their neighbor. Not all Ukrainians will prefer to remain as pawns for the colonialists. Russia isn't going anywhere. The U.S. will leave them twisting in the wind when they're no longer useful.

1 hour ago, barho said:

Glad she is on her way home, but at the same time angered by what we gave up for an athlete.  She should receive a major tough lashing over her sheer stupidity in the first place.  We gave up a major arms dealer for her and it may wind up putting large numbers of lives at risk.  Many of the athletes in this country are just complete morons.  She shouldn't be celebrated here at home.                                           

So she gets off twice for her stupidity?  

 

55 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

 

I'd like to have a beer with him

-Lynched, probably

2 hours ago, Abracadabra said:

Many will accept the fact that they need to come to some sort of accommodation with their neighbor. Not all Ukrainians will prefer to remain as pawns for the colonialists. Russia isn't going anywhere. The U.S. will leave them twisting in the wind when they're no longer useful.

ever put your head inside a pillowcase containing a live cobra?

3 hours ago, Prime said:

Weird.  I actually had a dream last night about 3 hyper aggressive snakes being loose in my house.

No joke, I can see them plain as day in my minds eye. Black, red, and silver. About 3 feet long each. One attacked the 5yr old version of my sister.  

Snakes on a plane?

21 hours ago, Redden said:

Dude, two questions.

One

• Why the F are you hanging in CVON when we could use decent wit in WU.

And two

• Why the F are you hanging in CVON when we could use decent wit in WU.

I should go back WU. CVON is a forum that should be a victim of the old raids.

😆

 

 

10 hours ago, paco said:

I'd like to have a beer with him

-Lynched, probably

Who's buying?

20 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

I guess Whelan has come out as trans now 

Why didn't Trump just ask for him to be released? He had two years as president and did nothing.

2 hours ago, Toastrel said:

Why didn't Trump just ask for him to be released? He had two years as president and did nothing.

Because it wasnt worth releasing the maniac we ended up releasing.

But let Whelan come out as trans and youll see him climb right up Bidens priority list.

20 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Because it wasnt worth releasing the maniac we ended up releasing.

But let Whelan come out as trans and youll see him climb right up Bidens priority list.

Trump turned down Viktor Bout-for-Paul Whelan prisoner swap: John Bolton (nypost.com)

 

read it. trump couldve gotten a deal done, but didn't. bolton though, also calls the deal for griner, a win for moscow. 

15 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Because it wasnt worth releasing the maniac we ended up releasing.

But let Whelan come out as trans and youll see him climb right up Bidens priority list.

 Trump said all that was needed was to ask.

 

Are you calling him a  liar?

Russian opposition figure gets 8-1/2 years' jail on 'false information' charge

https://www.reuters.com/world/russian-opposition-figure-found-guilty-fake-information-about-army-agencies-2022-12-09/

Russia - third world pisshole.

Plain and simple it was an ish deal.

I can't stand Bolton, but a geopolitical struggle with Russia is right in his wheelhouse.

Yeah this was a stupid deal. It's only going to embolden 3rd world nations with nukes to imprison kidnap high-profile US citizens so they can jack us up for their war criminals.

A lot of people are saying this was the greatest deal of all time.

i still say bout is dead with-in two weeks. 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-hit-by-deadliest-single-russian-attack-on-civilians-in-weeks-11670500360

Que the "democracy" movement is Saudi Arabia. "Spontaneous" demonstrations pop up, the "human rights" NGOs get fired up and suddenly U.S. "values" are at stake.

That or they take the short cut and assassinate MBS. 

 

This is definitely the sort of thing a country "winning" a war would do.