15 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

You missed out dude

I tried it once, it was meh.  Shrooms though, ate a bunch of shrooms back in the day, and it was fantastic.

Just now, downundermike said:

I tried it once, it was meh.  Shrooms though, ate a bunch of shrooms back in the day, and it was fantastic.

I used to take acid and then go to high school.  I was...not a good student.

14 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

Ukraine's top general:

"It seems to me we are on the edge,” warns General Zaluzhny. More big attacks could completely disable the grid. "That is when soldiers’ wives and children start freezing,” he says. "What kind of mood will the fighters be in? Without water, light and heat, can we talk about preparing reserves to keep fighting?"

I told you idiots a breaking point is approaching. Here's Zaluzhny admitting it. How long will you dolts volunteer adherence to an obvious lie? 

1 hour ago, Abracadabra said:

The Ukrainian military was destroyed months ago. The units left are made of recent conscripts and foreign soldiers. Their equipment is from the U.S. and the EU. Ukraine's economy is nearly collapsed. Outside sources are pumping in billions per month just to keep things going.

Russia is now destroying the military stocks of all of Europe and the U.S.. Ask Estonia or Germany or France or or or. They're all tapped out. Even the U.S. is running low on all sorts of things. 155mm shells, for example, are no longer being sent to Ukraine. 

 

 

You are a U.S. ally, Boopie. How did you think this was going to turn out? 

1 hour ago, Abracadabra said:

Ukraine's top general:

"It seems to me we are on the edge,” warns General Zaluzhny. More big attacks could completely disable the grid. "That is when soldiers’ wives and children start freezing,” he says. "What kind of mood will the fighters be in? Without water, light and heat, can we talk about preparing reserves to keep fighting?"

I told you idiots a breaking point is approaching. Here's Zaluzhny admitting it. How long will you dolts volunteer adherence to an obvious lie? 

That long expected pincer movement is right around the corner comrade...

Another one goes up on blocks. 

 

3 minutes ago, Bill said:

 

 

Your people @Abracadabra are disgusting pieces of ish.

5 minutes ago, Bill said:

 

Jesus christ.  Evil scum.

4 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Russia had to go begging to Iran for drones.

Now it's worried over Patriot missile defense systems. 

And North Korean ammo.

They can do this all day; Syria, Iran, North Korea - do I need to go on?

Of course @Abracadabra disappears when you post something about disgusting war crimes being committed by his comrades.

Just now, downundermike said:

Of course @Abracadabra disappears when you post something about disgusting war crimes being committed by his comrades.

that's becuase he is a big f'ng pussssay

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The United States is considering expanding its support for the war in Ukraine, as Kyiv worries that Russia could make a new push to take the capital as soon as January, according to six people with knowledge of the discussions.  In addition to finalizing plans to send the Patriot missile defense system, the administration is also weighing sending other weapons such as Joint Direct Attack Munition kits, which convert unguided aerial munitions into smart bombs, and Ground-Launched Small Diameter Bombs, which would significantly extend Ukraine’s strike range, according to two U.S. officials and another person familiar with the matter.  The Pentagon on Thursday also announced it is expanding training for Ukraine’s military at a U.S. base in Germany. The U.S. military currently trains several hundred Ukrainians a month on how to use specific weapons; the new plan would expand the pipeline to a battalion of roughly 500 soldiers a month, and training would include how to coordinate infantry maneuvering with artillery support, said Pentagon Press Secretary Brig. Gen. Patrick Ryder.

Kyiv’s pleas for help are increasing in urgency as its battlefield gains stall and Moscow continues its bombardment of Ukrainian cities. Russia has destroyed half of Ukraine’s energy infrastructure, the United Nations reports, with regular blackouts and power cuts leaving millions without electricity just as winter sets in.  Gen. Valeriy Zaluzhnyi, Ukraine’s top military leader, told the Economist that he believes Russia is mobilizing 200,000 new troops and could push to take Kyiv as soon as January. He begged for hundreds more tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and howitzers to help repel Russian forces, as well as missile defenses.  Meanwhile, Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba said Tuesday that Russian mobilization efforts and recent movement of heavy weaponry suggest Moscow may be preparing for a large-scale offensive in January and February.  "We are balancing on a fine line. And if [the power grid] is destroyed … that is when soldiers’ wives and children start freezing,” Zaluzhnyi told the Economist. "What kind of mood the fighters will be in, can you imagine? Without water, light and heat, can we talk about preparing reserves to keep fighting?”  Zaluzhnyi spoke with Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, national security adviser Jake Sullivan and Joint Chiefs Chair Gen. Mark Milley during a phone call on Tuesday that also included Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleskii Reznikov and Andriy Yermak, who heads the Ukrainian presidential office.

On Thursday morning, Austin and Milley briefed House members about the situation in Ukraine. They discussed sending Patriots to Ukraine, but said the decision had not yet been approved, according to one congressional aide and two other people familiar with the briefing. Like others interviewed for this story, the people spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss plans that had not yet been finalized.  Spokespeople for the Pentagon and National Security Council declined to comment.  One plan under consideration is transferring a Patriot missile battery — a Patriot Advanced Capability-3 variant that is built to intercept ballistic missiles — to Ukraine, according to another person familiar with the discussions. Another option is contracting with Raytheon Technologies to build new systems from scratch, but that could take years.  One issue officials are grappling with is training Ukrainian soldiers to operate the complex system. One Patriot battery can need as many as 90 troops to operate and maintain it, and the associated training takes months. The congressional aide said that the Pentagon has not yet answered lawmakers’ questions regarding training, including where it would take place.  "The thing about the Patriot is that’s a long-term issue. It’s not a short-term issue,” House Armed Services Chair Adam Smith (D-Wash.) said in a brief interview. "They’re not going to be firing Patriots in the next six months. I think there’s definitely a movement to provide that, [but] short-term it’s more about the [National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile System] and some of the counter-drone capabilities.”

Patriots would be one of the most sophisticated weapons sent by the U.S. since the war began and would help Kyiv combat strikes from Russian aircraft and missiles this winter. But Ukrainian officials are also requesting new, longer-range weapons to help its armed forces launch counterattacks inside Russia.  Although the U.S. has declined to provide the 185-mile range Army Tactical Missile System, officials have considered sending the Boeing-proposed Ground-Launched Small Diameter Bombs, which has a range of roughly 100 miles, according to one U.S. official and one person familiar with the discussions. The weapon would combine the GBU-39 Small Diameter Bomb with the M26 rocket motor, according to Reuters, which first reported the news.  American officials and diplomats based in Europe have over the past two weeks discussed such a transfer, including potential ramifications, with allies in countries such as the United Kingdom and Germany, one of the U.S. officials said.

Officials are also discussing sending the Joint Direct Attack Munitions kits, according to one U.S. official and a person familiar with the discussions between the U.S. and Ukraine. Ukraine’s Soviet-era MiG aircraft are not outfitted for the smart bomb kit, but Ukrainian forces could bolt them on — similar to how they have adapted their aircraft to carry antiradiation missiles.  The Ukrainians are working on technical issues surrounding their aircraft and drones to allow them to carry the precision bombs. There are two versions of the JDAM kits, one that allows an unguided bomb to become a precision-guided munition, and another that also extends the range of the bomb, depending on its size. The Washington Post first reported the news that the Pentagon was considering sending munitions kits.  

Meanwhile, the expanded training would build on the U.S.-led mission that began when Russia illegally annexed Crimea in 2014, Ryder said. The new effort, which is led by U.S. Army Europe and Africa Command, is slated to begin around January.  "As we continue to see Ukraine make progress in terms of pushing Russia back and receiving this new equipment, the idea here is to be able to give them this advanced level of collective training that enables them to conduct effective combined arms operations, and maneuver in the battlefield,” Ryder said.  The U.S. military has trained 3,100 Ukrainians on specific weapons systems since April, Ryder said. Meanwhile, U.S. allies have trained an additional 12,000.

Lawmakers on Capitol Hill are also discussing ways to support Ukraine’s long-range battlefield needs without escalating the conflict. The conversations come amid increasing concern within the administration about an expanding military partnership between Tehran and Moscow — one that has allowed for the shipment of hundreds of drones to Russia in recent weeks as the country ramps up its attacks on Ukraine.  However, officials have so far refrained from making a definitive decision on long-range weapons in part because the administration is worried about provoking Vladimir Putin, those officials said.  While the U.S. plans to send the Patriot could signal a significant turning point in the Biden administration’s support for Ukraine, the continued hesitation by the U.S. and other allies to send long-range munitions raises questions about whether the Ukrainians will be able to make any meaningful advances on the battlefield in the coming weeks.

After Ukrainian forces made significant gains in the south and northeast during the fall, neither side has been able to make much progress in recent weeks. Near the southern city of Kherson, Ukrainian forces are stalled on the west side of the Dnipro River, as Russian troops consolidate their gains on the opposite bank.  In the Donbas region, the fighting is particularly intense near Bakhmut, where Russian forces — some of which were rerouted from Kherson — are making "incremental gains,” according to a senior military official. Ukraine continues to hold the city, however.  Russian forces appear to be moving heavy equipment to the frontlines in northeastern Ukraine and have begun conducting limited offensives, according to the Institute for the Study of War. And the recent drop in temperatures near Kreminna to consistently below freezing has allowed the ground to solidify, likely allowing tanks and vehicles to more easily conduct offensive operations.  "The battlefield is fluid and dynamic. And so, we’re going to continue to see these two sides push against each other as they try to gain an advantage,” the official said.

It’s unclear how the situation on the ground will change the pace of fighting in the coming weeks. Some U.S. officials and experts have previously said that the winter weather will stall operations and potentially allow a window for talks.  But the Ukrainians want to regain more ground in the east — a task made easier with more sophisticated weaponry — even as the snow falls.  The Ukrainians are also asking other allies — including those in Europe — for help propping up their long-range capabilities. Ben Wallace, the British defense minister, said this week he was "open-minded” about Ukraine’s request for long-range weapons systems.  

So far, European and U.S. officials have remained in lockstep, publicly promising continued support for Ukraine for essentially as long as it takes. But the strain on stockpiles and the financial situation in an increasingly vulnerable Europe — where inflation stands at 11 percent — have sparked conversations between American officials and their counterparts about the extent to which they can continue to meet Kyiv’s demands — especially when the war has no end in sight.  U.S. officials are adamant that any potential peace talks between Kyiv and Moscow should be led by the Ukrainians. And officials in Kyiv, including President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, have so far not signaled any willingness to engage with Moscow until Russia stops bombarding the country and removes its troops from all Ukrainian territory.  "I believe that there will be a complete ceasefire on our part only when no invaders remain on our land,” said Brig. Gen. Oleksii Hromov, deputy chief of the Main Operational Directorate of the General Staff of Ukraine’s armed forces, according to reports on Thursday.

 

17 hours ago, Abracadabra said:

Ukraine's top general:

"It seems to me we are on the edge,” warns General Zaluzhny. More big attacks could completely disable the grid. "That is when soldiers’ wives and children start freezing,” he says. "What kind of mood will the fighters be in? Without water, light and heat, can we talk about preparing reserves to keep fighting?"

I told you idiots a breaking point is approaching. Here's Zaluzhny admitting it. How long will you dolts volunteer adherence to an obvious lie? 

You told us so many lies, it is hard to keep track. You adamantly said it was laughable that the Russians would flee Kherson, for example.

13 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

You told us so many lies, it is hard to keep track. You adamantly said it was laughable that the Russians would flee Kherson, for example.

He also told us Russia wasn't going to invade.

Also, that the US is really a subject of the British monarchy. 

So.... Yeah the dude is a dumb sheet loser whose sense of worth is wrapped up in believing he knows "the truth" and the rest of us are sleep walking sheep. 

He needs mental health help for sure. But that won't fix the stupid within.

 

 

1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

 

The war sure exposed the toothlessness of the Russian military.

As always could be propaganda. But hardly a reach.

 

Something a bit lighter ..

 

 

Villagers throw eggs at P-headed statue of Putin erected in Bell End..

 

The organiser of the protest, who wished to remain anonymous, told the PA news agency: "I needed to award somebody with the Bellend of the Year award and I thought there was one person who has universally been a bellend this year – and that’s Vladimir Putin.

"You could just throw eggs at the statue, which people did so willingly and quite happily.

"It’s been very well received. One person said, ‘I thought it was my boss for a second’.”

Some of the political considerations behind the decision on whether or not to give the Ukrainian's the Patriot system.  I don't agree it automatically means American "boots on the ground".  That would depend how quickly the systems are delivered.  If it did mean American forces in theatre, then ironically it's a perfect mirror of Vietnam, where Soviet "advisors" were manning North Vietnamese SA-2 sites and shooting down, and killing, American aircrews.

 

12 minutes ago, Mlodj said:

Some of the political considerations behind the decision on whether or not to give the Ukrainian's the Patriot system.  I don't agree it automatically means American "boots on the ground".  That would depend how quickly the systems are delivered.  If it did mean American forces in theatre, then ironically it's a perfect mirror of Vietnam, where Soviet "advisors" were manning North Vietnamese SA-2 sites and shooting down, and killing, American aircrews.

 

Except we aren't batting cleanup for the French.

 

Please let us not repeat past errors.

4 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

Except we aren't batting cleanup for the French.

 

Please let us not repeat past errors.

One workaround is to use "contractors" to man the sites if they want them in theatre rapidly.  If they gave the Ukrainians new build systems off the production line, the lead time is now years, which means the Ukrainians would be able to operate the systems without U.S. support.  In any event, there needs to be a conscious, public decision if U.S. troops are going to be put in harm's way.

The thing that kills me is that the Biden Administration drags their feet on giving different types of equipment and then eventually does it. 

Should have been done months ago.