March 1, 20232 yr 12 minutes ago, TEW said: Neither Hitler nor the allies had ICBMs. Maybe you missed the Cold War, but there is this thing called mutually assured destruction. Mutually seems to be the key part of the phrase you always seem to forgot.
March 1, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said: Right, so if Hitler did have nukes, we should've let him do whatever he wanted. Duly noted. If Hitler had ICBMs, and NATO existed and had ICBMs, and the USSR had ICBMs, and Japan had ICBMs, and China had ICBMs, none of those parties would ever get into a direct engagement. It would be just like the entire Cold War through now where the great powers confront each other through proxy wars. 1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Nukes are the only reason the west hasn't put Moscow in its place. We're all well aware of the threat. There’s also the issue of, you know, invading Russia being about the single dumbest thing you can do from a military history perspective. But I do find it interesting that after Iraq and Afghanistan some people have learned nothing. 2 hours ago, Gannan said: I don't think anyone would have predicted 20 years ago that the democrats would become the party of national security and a strong military while the republicans would be the party of communist and fascist appeasement. They’re not, of course, but it’s a nice narrative to spin.
March 1, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Gannan said: Mutually seems to be the key part of the phrase you always seem to forgot. Did this make sense in your head? Russia has about 1,600 in active service. 600 some odd are on subs. This idea that the US is just going to waltz into conflict with Russia without retaliation is stupid and insane.
March 1, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, TEW said: If Hitler had ICBMs, and NATO existed and had ICBMs, and the USSR had ICBMs, and Japan had ICBMs, and China had ICBMs, none of those parties would ever get into a direct engagement. It would be just like the entire Cold War through now where the great powers confront each other through proxy wars. There’s also the issue of, you know, invading Russia being about the single dumbest thing you can do from a military history perspective. But I do find it interesting that after Iraq and Afghanistan some people have learned nothing. They’re not, of course, but it’s a nice narrative to spin. This from the ass clown who claimed earlier in the thread that the US would've been powerless to stop Hitler had he chosen not to invade Russia. It's amazing how you continue to show your face after the countless number of stupid things you've said in here.
March 1, 20232 yr On 3/6/2022 at 4:36 PM, TEW said: He’s right. Of course the Russians wouldn’t have been able to win without material support from the US, but the Russians did the overwhelming majority of the fighting. That’s where the war was won. If Hitler hadn’t have been so stupid to invade Russia, there wasn’t much the US and Britain could have done to stop him. The US and western allies faced Germany’s weakest troops and generals. The bulk of their army, especially the veterans, were on the Eastern front. ^receipts
March 1, 20232 yr On 3/3/2022 at 6:20 PM, TEW said: The biggest issue people are having right now is understanding time. We are so used to instant gratification that people have no internal reference for what an invasion of an entire country looks like. Even the US and it’s allied nations took over a month to take Iraq. And Iraq was smaller with far less support. Its been 8 days and people are acting like because Russia hasn’t achieved total victory that this is somehow going wrong for them. They’re about a week away from completely engulfing 2/3 of the country. Nothing holds a candle to this all-time fave though. A trumpbot trying to lecture the rest of us on how the passage of time works!
March 1, 20232 yr 7 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: This from the ass clown who claimed earlier in the thread that the US would've been powerless to stop Hitler had he chosen not to invade Russia. It's amazing how you continue to show your face after the countless number of stupid things you've said in here. Yes, genius, had Hitler not invaded Russia he could have much more easily consolidated Western Europe and North Africa. Powerless is a bit strong, but it would have been very difficult to retake Europe without ~75% of his army fighting Russia. What that has to do with your retarded hypothetical about Hitler having nukes, I don’t know, but this idea that nuclear powers with literally a thousand warheads that can hit anywhere in the world in under an hour are going to attack each other is pretty insane.
March 1, 20232 yr 6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: ^receipts Yes, genius — 75% of the German army was on the eastern front. Read a history book.
March 1, 20232 yr 6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Nothing holds a candle to this all-time fave though. A trumpbot trying to lecture the rest of us on how the passage of time works! Yes, a year later and the war is still ongoing. Both sides have taken and given ground. But please lecture us all some more on how nuclear powers are going to attack each other over a non allied nation being invaded. I’d love to see all the post war examples of the US and USSR fighting it out on the plains of Europe.
March 1, 20232 yr 22 minutes ago, TEW said: There’s also the issue of, you know, invading Russia being about the single dumbest thing you can do from a military history perspective. But I do find it interesting that after Iraq and Afghanistan some people have learned nothing. Literally nobody wants to invade Russia. That's not what I was saying. The nature and extent of our support for Ukraine would be very different if Russia was not a nuclear power. Russia's willingness to be a belligerent would also be diminished, most likely. Nukes affect foreign policy.
March 1, 20232 yr 7 minutes ago, TEW said: Yes, genius — 75% of the German army was on the eastern front. Read a history book. Hitler was always going to circle back to Russia. The war was over when Germany failed to deal a knockout blow to the UK to bring them to the table. The plan was a quick victory in the west and circling back to the east. It was the west holding out that saved the USSR.
March 1, 20232 yr 13 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Literally nobody wants to invade Russia. That's not what I was saying. The nature and extent of our support for Ukraine would be very different if Russia was not a nuclear power. Russia's willingness to be a belligerent would also be diminished, most likely. Nukes affect foreign policy. Of course they do. That’s the point. We aren’t getting into a shooting war with another nuclear power if we can help it.
March 1, 20232 yr 5 hours ago, Abracadabra said: You joke about this but Ukraine is being sacrificed for Anglo-Saxon hegemony. They are literally dragging the few remaining men from the streets and forcing them to the front without any training. Those thugs doing the pressganging are being paid by the U.S. government. If it were not for the billions in blood money keeping this regime churning, this war would be over. Ukraine is finished. The parasites are draining the Ukrainian corpse of the last drop of blood. This amounts to genocide. Excellent, maybe I'll buy a house there after I get a new wife. I'm handy and there will be a lot of fixer uppers.
March 2, 20232 yr 22 hours ago, The_Omega said: Yea kind of obvious if Putin manages to beat Ukraine and he attacks say Poland that we will be in a full blown war.
March 2, 20232 yr On 3/1/2022 at 5:00 PM, TEW said: There are people in here saying that this is some strategic blunder by Putin made out of irrationality. That it was a miscalculation, that he won’t be able to hold the cities, that Russia is economically ruined, etc. The fact is he knew the sanctions would be the response, he saw an opening, and he took it. He will have most if not all of Ukraine by the end of this mess and, much as we may detest him, it was an intelligent move on his part to achieve his own desired ends.
March 2, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, TEW said: Of course they do. That’s the point. We aren’t getting into a shooting war with another nuclear power if we can help it. Somebody should tell Russia that. Because they keep trying to argue this is some kind of existential fight they're in.
March 2, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, Talkingbirds said: Not going to happen comrade. Finally, a historically accurate photo.
March 2, 20232 yr 30 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said: Yea kind of obvious if Putin manages to beat Ukraine and he attacks say Poland that we will be in a full blown war. I don't see it happening. I've been wrong before.
March 2, 20232 yr 7 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: 5 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Somebody should tell Russia that. Because they keep trying to argue this is some kind of existential fight they're in.
March 2, 20232 yr You know who uses the term Anglo-Saxon? medieval historians, poets who can't find any words that rhyme with klaxon, and weirdo conspiracy twinks
March 2, 20232 yr 28 minutes ago, Abracadabra said: and your stupid-ass thinks that map is "the west's plan" instead of a troll job because you're just the kind of fool Putin loves. though I'll say this: it's more likely that's Russia's future now than it was 2/20/2022. but it's still not happening. say it with me: the West does not care nearly as much about Russia as Russia thinks it does.
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