March 31, 20232 yr Just now, TEW said: No, they just blew up the financial and military headquarters of our entire country. No biggie. Of course it was a big deal. But we're not talking about punitive measures here. We're talking about strategically cutting off what's become an intelligence gathering wing of the Kremlin in the middle of a war on Ukrainian territory. Like he said, it's apples and oranges, no matter how much you want it to be the same.
March 31, 20232 yr Just now, VanHammersly said: Of course it was a big deal. But we're not talking about punitive measures here. We're talking about strategically cutting off what's become an intelligence gathering wing of the Kremlin in the middle of a war on Ukrainian territory. Like he said, it's apples and oranges, no matter how much you want it to be the same. And I’m talking about strategically cutting off a recruiting network of terrorists which waged an strategic attack against our nation’s most vital power centers. Its totally comparable, it’s just that you need to explain away the cognitive dissonance that you’re feeling.
March 31, 20232 yr 15 minutes ago, TEW said: OK, and there were multiple accounts of Mosques recruiting AQ members. Would it then be acceptable to shut down all Mosques? Well...wouldn't a more direct comparison be shutting down all churches? The Russian Orthodox churches are a specific entity. Not just "churches" in general, as you're speaking of "mosques" in general.
March 31, 20232 yr TEW refuses to call Putin a genocidal maniac but is now bending over backwards to bash Zelensky for cutting off enemy intelligence gathering in a wartime effort to fight back invaders, and he has the balls to accuse others of cognitive dissonance?
March 31, 20232 yr 6 minutes ago, TEW said: And I’m talking about strategically cutting off a recruiting network of terrorists which waged an strategic attack against our nation’s most vital power centers. Its totally comparable, it’s just that you need to explain away the cognitive dissonance that you’re feeling. Seems like you're just making an argument that that's what we should have done. But that time has passed and we didn't. And we didn't get hit with an attack again of that magnitude so it looks like it wasn't necessary. But in the case of Ukraine, they feel like it is necessary to cut off an intelligence wing of the Kremlin. In a perfect world, they wouldn't have to, but Russia ruined any of that good will when they invaded a sovereign nation.
March 31, 20232 yr 11 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: TEW refuses to call Putin a genocidal maniac but is now bending over backwards to bash Zelensky for cutting off enemy intelligence gathering in a wartime effort to fight back invaders, and he has the balls to accuse others of cognitive dissonance? I think more than anything, he's just sad that we didn't ban Islam when we had the chance.
March 31, 20232 yr 53 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Seems like you're just making an argument that that's what we should have done. But that time has passed and we didn't. And we didn't get hit with an attack again of that magnitude so it looks like it wasn't necessary. But in the case of Ukraine, they feel like it is necessary to cut off an intelligence wing of the Kremlin. In a perfect world, they wouldn't have to, but Russia ruined any of that good will when they invaded a sovereign nation. I haven’t followed this all that closely, but did Ukraine shut down all of the Russian Orthodox Churches, or just some of them? I saw an article which talked about people being forced out of one specific church that was known/believed to be supporting Russian efforts as I understood it.
March 31, 20232 yr The story as I understand it, is that Ukraine suspects the Orthodox monasteries of being Russian allies in the war effort. They were ordered to leave a monastery in Kiev. Just one, I think. They refused. Quote With religious rhetoric, Putin taps into a long tradition that imagines a Greater Russia extending across present-day Ukraine and Belarus, in a combined territory known as Holy Rus’. Nostalgic for empire, this sees the spiritual unity of the three nations as key to Russia’s earthly power as an exceptional civilization. Encouraged by Putin’s "special operation,” Russian Orthodox nationalists are excitedly recalling the prophecy of a twentieth-century saint from Chernihiv, now one of Ukraine’s beleaguered cities. "Just as the One Lord God is the indivisible Holy Trinity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit,” this monk fortold, "so Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus together are Holy Rus’ and cannot be separated.” Putin's version of Trumpcuck deniers.
March 31, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Lloyd said: Well...wouldn't a more direct comparison be shutting down all churches? The Russian Orthodox churches are a specific entity. Not just "churches" in general, as you're speaking of "mosques" in general. Sure, we could be more precise and say shut down all Sunni mosques. Totally justified in the wake of 9/11. RIGHT?
March 31, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, VanHammersly said: Seems like you're just making an argument that that's what we should have done. But that time has passed and we didn't. And we didn't get hit with an attack again of that magnitude so it looks like it wasn't necessary. But in the case of Ukraine, they feel like it is necessary to cut off an intelligence wing of the Kremlin. In a perfect world, they wouldn't have to, but Russia ruined any of that good will when they invaded a sovereign nation. No, that’s not what we should have done. And it’s not what Ukraine should do. That’s the argument: you don’t ban churches or mosques because some members might be a security threat. You go after the individuals. But for some reason the usual crowd in here is fine with religious persecution.
March 31, 20232 yr 8 minutes ago, TEW said: No, that’s not what we should have done. And it’s not what Ukraine should do. That’s the argument: you don’t ban churches or mosques because some members might be a security threat. You go after the individuals. But for some reason the usual crowd in here is fine with religious persecution. Is that happening?
March 31, 20232 yr 6 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Is that happening? Even it was, who give a flying F??!! The country is in the midst of war against an invading force. You do what you need to survive and work out the details later. my goodness, the stupid is strong with TEW.
March 31, 20232 yr 20 hours ago, TEW said: Not that this matters to you, but the ARRW is aiming for a maximum speed of Mach 20, which is about twice as fast as the Kinzhal and Zircon. And it’s cost is projected at under $20M, compared to around $100M for the Russian weapons. So not really apples to apples. And, of course, US guidance systems are far superior. In any case, it doesn’t really make sense for the US to field expensive hypersonic weapons. They’ve got to come down in price because Russia and China don’t really have capital ships worth burning a $100M missile on. But for Russia and China, the US has a fleet of super carriers and bunch of multi-billion dollar destroyers. So the cost/benefit makes sense for them. This kind of reminds me of the space race where Russia sent a simple satellite and then a man into orbit, and the US responded by sending a dozen men to the moon which half a century later no one else has yet managed to equal. What difference does it make what you're aiming for? If you lack the engineering to pull it off, it's just academic. Having a carrier killer which cannot be defended is worth it's weight in gold. $100M is cheap especially when they can double as bunker busters (rumors about a NATO comms base 120m under ground taken out by a Zircon) and carry nukes. Russia could take out all of those carriers at once. Think about that. The worst part is that they admit they don't have the engineers. Russia has a third of the population but has no shortage of engineers. STEM, in the west, has gone woke so good luck reversing that trend.
March 31, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, barho said: Even it was, who give a flying F??!! The country is in the midst of war against an invading force. You do what you need to survive and work out the details later. my goodness, the stupid is strong with TEW. I understand, being invaded can make you do abnormal things. From what i have read, they have like 20 something Russian orthodox monks in tunnels in Kiev who have allegiance to Russia, and talk openly about the holy right of Russia to Ukraine. I'm not sure what Ukraine's constitution says about religion. I'm sure TEW doesn't know, or care.
April 1, 20232 yr 5 hours ago, paco said: No. But I am Ukrainian. (And Austrian) Did you get to eat good pirogies when you were a kid?
April 1, 20232 yr 14 hours ago, lynched1 said: I'm going to bet most of the Ukraine flag bearers in here are not of draft age. Stupid argument
April 1, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said: Stupid argument it's lynched. he's maybe 3 IQ pts better than Abra and EagleVA.
April 1, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: it's lynched. he's maybe 3 IQ pts better than Abra and EagleVA. So... 3?
April 1, 20232 yr 22 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said: Stupid argument That's not called an argument. It's an observation. Very likely an accurate one.
April 1, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said: it's lynched. he's maybe 3 IQ pts better than Abra and EagleVA. An empty comment from another unable to distinguish observation from argument. You're doing the work for me. Go sit down woozy.
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